Mass Rating Tool Madness?

imdb
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RE: Mass Rating Tool Madness?

Post by imdb » Wed Jul 10, 2013 3:52 am

<quote user="notbuyingit">
@[url=http://www.mywot.com/en/user/4881164 t=_self]imdb[/url], welcome to the users' community forums. The reputation for newance.com ([url=http://www.mywot.com/en/scorecard/newance.com/ t=_self]scorecard[/url]) would be the same whether or not someone used the Mass Rating Tool (MRT) to submit a rating. You should already understand from a careful reading of this thread that the MRT has nothing whatsoever to do with the accuracy of a rating; the MRT is simply a different web interface for submitting the same data that users can submit on WOT scorecards. The MRT does assure that you can contact its user to discuss his submission, though. Most people who use the MRT want to be as accurate as possible, so they are entirely willing to correct a mistake.

My own approach is to adversely rate the domains of nameservers that promote malicious or unethical activities. A nameserver may be under the control of a criminal botnet, for example. Evidently, adverse ratings sometimes get the attention of nameservers' owners. In my experience, domain owners are not always as easy to contact as MRT users are.
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Right so what you're saying is, you're using MRT to adversely rate domains in an effort to prompt nameserver owners to pay attention? Wouldn't that be considered coercion which is codified as duress crime in common law? I get your commitment to WOT users, my issue is with the fact that in order to come to conclusion there's act of promotion pertaining to malicious or unethical activities there must be solid evidence to support such claim. For example as a hosting provider, I can assure you that we might provide services from hosting to name server to e-mail. If any of the domains mentioned on DNS are tracking systems used by e-commerce of affiliate platforms, chances are, it will be flagged as "malicious" since whoever is doing the marking is using blanket approaches to said protection.

Approach of guilty until proven innocent doesn't work well in law and I am not sure it works well on the Internet. Imagine if our government went on arresting everyone they deemed involved in "malicious or unethical activities" and then sort everyone out in the court room when they get around to it?

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RE: Mass Rating Tool Madness?

Post by NotBuyingIt » Wed Jul 10, 2013 2:33 pm

<quote user="notbuyingit">
@imdb, welcome to the users' community forums. The reputation for newance.com (scorecard) would be the same whether or not someone used the Mass Rating Tool (MRT) to submit a rating. You should already understand from a careful reading of this thread that the MRT has nothing whatsoever to do with the accuracy of a rating; the MRT is simply a different web interface for submitting the same data that users can submit on WOT scorecards. The MRT does assure that you can contact its user to discuss his submission, though. Most people who use the MRT want to be as accurate as possible, so they are entirely willing to correct a mistake.
My own approach is to adversely rate the domains of nameservers that promote malicious or unethical activities. A nameserver may be under the control of a criminal botnet, for example. Evidently, adverse ratings sometimes get the attention of nameservers' owners. In my experience, domain owners are not always as easy to contact as MRT users are.
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<quote user="imdb">
Right so what you're saying is, you're using MRT to adversely rate domains in an effort to prompt nameserver owners to pay attention? Wouldn't that be considered coercion which is codified as duress crime in common law? I get your commitment to WOT users, my issue is with the fact that in order to come to conclusion there's act of promotion pertaining to malicious or unethical activities there must be solid evidence to support such claim. For example as a hosting provider, I can assure you that we might provide services from hosting to name server to e-mail. If any of the domains mentioned on DNS are tracking systems used by e-commerce of affiliate platforms, chances are, it will be flagged as "malicious" since whoever is doing the marking is using blanket approaches to said protection.

Approach of guilty until proven innocent doesn't work well in law and I am not sure it works well on the Internet. Imagine if our government went on arresting everyone they deemed involved in "malicious or unethical activities" and then sort everyone out in the court room when they get around to it?
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If any of the domains mentioned on DNS are tracking systems used by e-commerce of affiliate platforms, chances are, it will be flagged as 'malicious' since whoever is doing the marking is using blanket approaches to said protection.

I'm guessing that such a "blanket approach" hardly ever happens unless a nameserver or hosting site supports a massively egregious amount of spam, malware, privacy abuses, etc. Many individual members of the public, be they WOT members or not, have various adverse opinions about tracking systems that may invade their privacy. The range of these characterisations includes
  • "annoying"
  • "suspicious"
  • "spying"
  • "malicious"
  • "criminal".
Individuals (WOT users or not), have their own criteria about when to blame a DNS service, hosting service or email service for not expelling the vermin. GoDaddy.com, for example, probably withdraws DNS on account of spam and abuse from some of their subscribers every day. Yet some members of the public (and of WOT) apparently don't believe that GoDaddy.com acts aggressively enough.

I recommend this advice by the WOT staff: "If you own a website that you believe has been rated unfairly, you should find this section in our FAQ helpful:
http://www.mywot.com/faq/site-owners-support/reputation "
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Right so what you're saying is, you're using MRT to adversely rate domains in an effort to prompt nameserver owners to pay attention? "
Wrong, that is wildly inaccurate. I contribute ratings to share my opinion of a site's trustworthiness (whether or not I use the MRT). My observation that MRT users are often more responsive than are site owners was a reply to the insinuation that MRT users were generally irresponsible. Nothing in that observation should be read as my motivations. Your inference was entirely mistaken.

Apparently, you have conflated posting a scorecard comment with using the Mass Rating Tool (MRT) and perhaps you have conflated both of them with rating a site. By now, you surely must have read that anyone can leave the same comments and contribute the same ratings with or without the MRT. Furthermore, using the MRT contributes no extra weight or auspiciousness to ratings or comments; (perhaps its contributes less). Nor may the relative merit which WOT places upon such a rating be inferred. All that the MRT should signify to you is that a user rated from 1 to 100 sites the same way for essentially the same reasons.
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Wouldn't that be considered coercion which is codified as duress crime in common law? I get your commitment to WOT users, my issue is with the fact that in order to come to conclusion there's act of promotion pertaining to malicious or unethical activities there must be solid evidence to support such claim. "
No, "coercion" and "duress" would likewise be wildly inaccurate. I contribute ratings to share my opinion of a site's trustworthiness.

WOT reputations are somewhat like public opinion polls. They tell you how well people trust a website. Savvy site owners may use public opinion to improve their site's reputation. Not every opinion held by the public has to be based upon rigid courtroom evidence. For example, some readers may still hold an entirely fallacious concept of the MRT contrary to the overwhelming evidence that has been reviewed in this thread.

The WOT staff can and does withdraw the MRT from users who abuse it. You must surely have read by now that you may report any suspected abuse of WOT to its staff. However, just because you find somebody's opinion to be disagreeable doesn't necessarily mean that they are abusive. Reporting evidence of abuse to the staff would be much more effective than joining those vague accusations, that are posted around the web from time to time, against some fictitious cadre of elite MRT users.

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RE: Mass Rating Tool Madness?

Post by NotBuyingIt » Sun Jul 21, 2013 10:57 pm

@[url=http://www.mywot.com/user/4881164 t=_self]imdb[/url],

I had to hide you post because you included a live link, which violates the Forum guidelines. You may substitute hxxp for http in its URL and repost your message. Please review the Forum guidelines at
http://www.mywot.com/guidelines/forum-guidelines

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RE: Mass Rating Tool Madness?

Post by GURBL » Mon Jul 22, 2013 1:28 pm

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Which domains would that be? We're a small hosting company and we don't have any Russian customers. Unless the server is hacked and someone is using it without our authorization.
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ah. so you approached me as the owner of bodyguardk9 . com but in fact you are a hosting company? which company is it?

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RE: Mass Rating Tool Madness?

Post by GURBL » Mon Jul 22, 2013 1:29 pm

<quote user="notbuyingit">
@[url=http://www.mywot.com/user/4881164 t=_self]imdb[/url],

I had to hide you post because you included a live link, which violates the Forum guidelines. You may substitute hxxp for http in its URL and repost your message. Please review the Forum guidelines at
http://www.mywot.com/guidelines/forum-guidelines
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got it thanks

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RE: Mass Rating Tool Madness?

Post by imdb » Tue Jul 23, 2013 6:19 pm

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ah. so you approached me as the owner of bodyguardk9 . com but in fact you are a hosting company? which company is it?
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bodyguardk9.com is a business I am a partner of in dog breeding the company is bodyguardk9 and I have hosting with another partner which does ecommerce crm platform which is a separate company.

Besides what does that have anything to do with a dog breeding site receiving poor CHILD SAFETY rating or scam? What am I missing here?

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RE: Mass Rating Tool Madness?

Post by Guest » Tue Jul 23, 2013 7:26 pm

<quote user="imdb">
bodyguardk9.com is a business I am a partner of in dog breeding the company is bodyguardk9 and I have hosting with another partner which does ecommerce crm platform which is a separate company.

Besides what does that have anything to do with a dog breeding site receiving poor CHILD SAFETY rating or scam? What am I missing here?
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Totally agree, scanned and complexly crawled bodyguardk9.com and found nothing out of line.

Damning everyone that is on newance.com is poor rating tactics without proof of every domain having an issue.

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RE: Mass Rating Tool Madness?

Post by clipboard33 » Wed Jul 24, 2013 6:31 pm

I haven't used the MRT. However, I do see the value in it. I am considering it for domains like the Disney group, but I am still learning the ropes, so I am still rating one site at a time. I understand all the yelling and drama from sites that claim to be mis-rated, but I don't trust them either, as the loudest voice is often (in the face-to-face real world) the most seductive con man/woman, who is simply using intimidation to coerce you into doing something they want - like take your money or identity. MRT is not madness, it has a valid purpose. IMHO

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RE: Mass Rating Tool Madness?

Post by alphacentauri » Sun Jul 28, 2013 3:24 am

@imdb, I appreciate your frustration. And I have great respect for Destination Truth, who find the site is safe. However, if you check to see what the other 175 domains on that nameserver are
https://www.google.com/#sclient=psy-ab&q=site:domaintools.com+"NS1.NEWANCE.COM"&q=site:domaintools.com+"NS1.NEWANCE.COM"
it looks pretty skeevy.

There's an old saying, "If you lay down with dogs, you get up with fleas. I'm not sure why you ended up using that particular nameserver; I assume you have a friend who set up the website for you, and some of his other clients are unsavory.

It doesn't help that there are links with names like "the best online casino south africa reviews" stuck right in the middle of the text all over the site. Maybe it's more visible in my browser than in others people's. It just doesn't do much for your reputation.

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RE: Mass Rating Tool Madness?

Post by imdb » Wed Jul 31, 2013 11:13 pm

<quote user="alphacentauri">
@imdb, I appreciate your frustration. And I have great respect for Destination Truth, who find the site is safe. However, if you check to see what the other 175 domains on that nameserver are
https://www.google.com/#sclient=psy-ab&q=site:domaintools.com+"NS1.NEWANCE.COM"&q=site:domaintools.com+"NS1.NEWANCE.COM"
it looks pretty skeevy.

There's an old saying, "If you lay down with dogs, you get up with fleas. I'm not sure why you ended up using that particular nameserver; I assume you have a friend who set up the website for you, and some of his other clients are unsavory.

It doesn't help that there are links with names like "the best online casino south africa reviews" stuck right in the middle of the text all over the site. Maybe it's more visible in my browser than in others people's. It just doesn't do much for your reputation.
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For sure, so again, what does best online casino south africa reviews or newance.com which is a domain name server have ANYTHING to do with poor rating of a website? This tool supposed to rate individual sites not guilty by association rating. Or is that what WOT been reduced to? Seriously? Google has URL shortener used by spammers and scammers, UltraDNS is used by many people too, godaddy DNS is used by many as well, what makes newance stuff get mass rated vs all the other domain name servers which end up being used in different ways.

Only reason why MRT isn't used on godaddy name server, ultraDNS,namecheap and etc is because if they use MRT on that, they would lose their accounts, but if the DNS is not belonging to large company then it's free for all, screw everyone on the name server.

Anyways, I can see why WOT has poor reputation it's due to the accuracy produced by these so called "Platinum" members.


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