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> I don't know if this was

Post by Nulander » Tue Jun 15, 2010 3:09 am

> I don't know if this was Microsoft's motivation for removing registry tools from Defender, but a good reason to do that would be to
> discourage novices from messing with the registry.

Mah, it was only some sort of HIDS/HIPS solution to prevent suspicious writes on the registry. It could be disabled in case of troubles, but Defender included even a Start-up monitor that, nowadays, Windows should include it natively.
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HIPS?

Post by Guest » Tue Jun 15, 2010 3:34 am

If you were talking about HIPS, which is entirely different from registry cleaners, then I misunderstood. Never used Windows Defender . . . did it have a HIPS component? Sounds a little like WinPatrol.

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Post by Nulander » Tue Jun 15, 2010 1:03 pm

No, in Windows Defender there was a protection introduced to ask the user to consent or deny the registry writing proposed by software and configuration changes. Some of the proactive protections could be seen here: http://tinyurl.com/35uatzl They're not limited only to software, but even to registry changes. All things that MSE don't do.
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Re: Clean Registry

Post by Jazspeak » Wed Jun 16, 2010 2:02 pm

The perceived need for a clean registry harks back to the days when computers were slow and operating systems and hard drives were small.

It is true that modern computers are less bothered by untidy registries and large Master File Tables. However, it is worth cleaning the registry from the point of view of deleting references to programs, files, and folders that are no longer on the computer, and which the users might not want anyone else to know about.

One of the problems with scam registry scanners is that they can log a copy of the unsuspecting user's computer and then know everything about the sorts of uses to which the computer is, and has been, put. Probably best not to let any online registry scanner have that sort of opportunity.

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> It is true that modern

Post by Nulander » Wed Jun 16, 2010 5:46 pm

> It is true that modern computers are less bothered by untidy registries and large Master File Tables. However, it is worth
> cleaning the registry from the point of view of deleting references to programs, files, and folders that are no longer on
> the computer, and which the users might not want anyone else to know about.

The problem is that the OS should already take care of such problems automatically and not rely on the user to keep maintenance about an aspect of the operative enviroment that should be correcly handled by the computer itself. This not happend due to some reasons? Ok, the OS-producer should release a tool that solve the issue, without any charge for the user.

But IMHO, this is some sort of suspicious marketing strategy introduced in order to sell "useless-ware" (because If the OS change, or the user update the software, paying for "nothing" (it's not a real object, only a way to abstract electrical pulses), or the tool is useless).
Try to wonder now, with the new solid-state HDs, what an user should do with the professional-defrag software he has bought in the past, considering that such types of HDs doesn't need the same defrag-maintenance efforts than the old ones. Results? Money no more worthy to be spent. And this is a secondary reason for software piracy.

This is unfair and, about this facts, I agree with Linux-Fanboys when they say that on their OSses there's not such type of "cheating".

> One of the problems with scam registry scanners is that they can log a copy of the unsuspecting user's computer and then know
> everything about the sorts of uses to which the computer is, and has been, put. Probably best not to let any online registry scanner
> have that sort of opportunity.

This type of behavior should already be contemplated for all the software, and hypothetical scanners, that remotely analyze systems. Other than there's a lot of limitations on scanning systems nowadays (try to think about sandboxes-defences implemented on WinVista/Seven, Third-Party programs or hardcoded on Browsers themselves).
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Post by MysteryFCM » Wed Jun 16, 2010 6:12 pm

You'll never see anything like this built directly into Windows for two prime reasons;

1. Anti competition lawsuits against Microsoft

2. Complexity

Remember: Linux is a whole different world when it comes to how software is installed, and information is stored. Linux has it the right way (and I hate saying that), which is why the issue almost doesn't exist (though that's not to say other issues related to it don't exist - store enough data and somewhere along the line, something will need to be done to clean it up).

When a program is installed, information is inserted into the registry, similarly the majority of programs store configs etc in the registry - two things they should never have been allowed to do. File assoc's are also stored there, along with a multitude of other things.

Programs can and do, exist to clean up some of the mess, but the more these programs try to do, the more they risk borking the entire system due to some config they couldn't account for, or properly work with, which is why the vast majority of us do not recommend people use such.

In short, if you can find a program that doesn't need installing, use it, if you can talk the dev into stopping the storage of info in the registry, do it, that's about the best you can do in the long term, to preserve the registry.

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Post by Nulander » Wed Jun 16, 2010 8:11 pm

Even if the software is made available with a facultative download?
If so, why the Anti-competitor Committee didn't say anything for the firewall?

> Programs can and do, exist to clean up some of the mess, but the more these programs try to do, the more they risk borking the entire
> system due to some config they couldn't account for, or properly work with, which is why the vast majority of us do not recommend
> people use such.

System Registry has been a mistake under some points of view. The difficulty about the cleaning system is almost related to the presence of unknown keys written by software, to not mention DRM (think about Securom and his System Hack in order to prevent the key-sweeping of it from the OS). Ok, the best way is to reinstall the system, but of course this could not be done due to considerable reasons. Other solutions are possible, but surely more laborious on their applications (like doing backup of the clean registry to restore it later when the presence of the applications are no more needed).

Maybe the "Portable" versions of the software will help in order to keep the reg-cluttering but they're not the panacea, having side-effects on their side.

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Continue the discussion here on public, not on my wall. Thanks.

Post by Nulander » Wed Jun 16, 2010 8:23 pm

User Weskysoft placed this on my personal wall.

"I read your comments to our websites. I am wondering why you said that Weskysoft software are malicious content or viruses. If you think which part of our software makes you think our software is like what you said on our sites, please feel free to let me know.

Have you tested our software before you made the conclusion like that?

In fact all of our software belong to the shareware, the clients can try the software before they decide to buy, this mode is used by many top companies like PCTools, iolo and even the Symantec company. The products which similar to ours like System Mechanic and Registry Mechanic.

The comments you left on the following sites www.activepcoptimizer.com
www.boostersonpc.com
www.weskysoft.com
www.perfectoptimizer5.com
www.perfectoptimizer.com
www.registrymum.com
www.fixmum.com
www.windowsclear.com

We think you should test our software first to see whether it is like what you said.
You, as an experienced man in Mywot.com, should not copy what others said without any investigation.

And we hope you test our software first and then remove these comments and said the true fact about our software.

I look forward to your quick reply.

Neil Lee
Weskysoft Inc.

Weskysoft Inc. is a software R&D company that provides the clients with the easy-to-use programs to check, repair PC errors and speed up computers."

Please continue the discussion of the topic here, not there.
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Post by MysteryFCM » Wed Jun 16, 2010 8:37 pm

Got virtually the same via e-mail.

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Post by MysteryFCM » Wed Jun 16, 2010 8:40 pm

"If so, why the Anti-competitor Committee didn't say anything for the firewall?"

Because vendors love suing Microsoft. Just look at the Google vs Microsoft thing (hillarious given Google are now doing an OS with a built in browser).

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