User rating and comment

evilfantasy
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RE: User rating and comment

Post by evilfantasy » Sat Apr 26, 2014 8:03 pm

For the record I am 100% in favor of open ratings and comments. Have the nerve to stand behind what you believe. If not then find something else to do.

I just said this in another topic and it is worth repeating. 'So much is wrong with Wot right now and site owners are helplessly caught in the middle, and that's not fair.'

The WOT system in ways is "broken" and has been for a while. Things are constantly changing and there is no consistency between members and even less so between members and admins. website owners are unfairly caught in the middle of a "broken" system. They pay for the inconsistency, not us. We can cause a car crash and just move on to the next one. Website owners don't have that luxury.

It's reprehensible what has been going on here lately. That goes for for staff and regular members alike and I am in no way immune to my own criticism. I would delete my account but I refuse to give up control of the content I have created here to this day so I won't.

JackE1930
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RE: User rating and comment

Post by JackE1930 » Sun Apr 27, 2014 8:59 am

For the record. From the time that I've been using WOT to help me decide on whether to allow the scripts from a particular website to run on my computer, I have noted many times that certain user of WOT are actually the ones who are gaming the system the way it's set up currently. When the format changed recently, I was watching closely to see if anything had changed. What I'm seeing is that it has not. I made the suggestion a while back that users be required to post an explanation with their rating stating why they gave that rating and providing evidence if they gave a negative rating. I've been involved with other systems that rate photos that are posted. What I and the others involved in this exercise found is that there are other users who game the system by creating multiple accounts allowing them to voting multiple times and either inflate or deflate the scores given to a particular photo. I strongly suspect that the same thing is going on here. Don't tell me that you can tell if a person is using multiple accounts, because there is technology commonly available for a person to mask there id and computer locations / IP address. If enough users do this, it's very easy to sway scores in what direction they choose. The only way I know to bring this to a stop is to require uses to explain their ratings. When you look at the explanations, you can see a pattern of the users who are trying to game the system. The other thing that I've noticed, at least from the comments I've read, is that many reviews are very old. I think the ratings and reviews should be treated like a Moving Average where the ratings and reviews older than say 6 months get dropped off or at least removed from the score and can be archived if you need to keep a record. Web sites are constantly being changed and improved, if the website owner wants to get any business or other activity, so this needs to be taken into account. Old ratings and review from 1 to 3 years ago tell the rest of us who are looking to see if we can trust a website absolutely nothing useful. When I check out a website, I use multiple sources to tell me about the website. I assume from what many internet users I've talked to that most users are not that sophisticated so they need to get the most accurate information possible from WOT. I know people who, because they have been burned by inaccurate information from WOT, will not have anything to do with WOT. That's a shame, because WOT could be the most useful tool around to internet users.

Timo
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RE: User rating and comment

Post by Timo » Wed May 07, 2014 11:37 am

Some of you asked a how rating would be shown on scorecard. Below is our vision of it
Image

Any thoughts about it?

Guest

RE: User rating and comment

Post by Guest » Wed May 07, 2014 12:52 pm

<quote user="timo">
Some of you asked a how rating would be shown on scorecard. Below is our vision of it
Image

Any thoughts about it?
[/quote]
I truly like it, and I believe that we got a winner
A suggestion, in the part of trusted, the online tracking appears as a negative thing, which in my opinion it is, but over all is a better design
Edit =
I will like to be clear that this post, was in reference to the design of the bars that explain which is trusted from that which is not , my opinion about this thread was posted earlier, and I have not changed my mind

https://www.mywot.com/en/forum/46158-user-rating-and-comment?comment=248892#comment-248892
I have a friend that asked me, if I have changed my mind and the answer is no!
Thank you


Guest

RE: User rating and comment

Post by Guest » Wed May 07, 2014 1:18 pm

<quote user="timo">
Some of you asked a how rating would be shown on scorecard. Below is our vision of it

Any thoughts about it?
[/quote]


I appreciate your efforts, although to be honest it reminds me of "Uniblue SpeedupMYPC" GUI (not exactly a software I would like to have installed)

see: https://www.google.com/search?q=Uniblue&nfpr=1&tbs=&tbm=isch

Perhaps those red and green labels may be changed into something more pleasant.

I hope mywot will get something more than aesthetic improvements


drsumit
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RE: User rating and comment

Post by drsumit » Wed May 07, 2014 3:50 pm

<quote user="timo">
Some of you asked a how rating would be shown on scorecard. Below is our vision of it
Image

Any thoughts about it?
[/quote]

Great concept - great design idea - well done TIMO
This can be implemented with the optional choice -
keep my rating hidden for those who are uncomfortable
showing their rating. I think minor modifications are
needed to make it look better with subtle changes in the
color. I have no problem with showing my rating - the reason
being I leave comment with every rating. So basically because
of the comment most site owners know how I have rated.

Timo
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RE: User rating and comment

Post by Timo » Thu May 08, 2014 8:21 am

<quote user="leofelix">
I appreciate your efforts, although to be honest it reminds me of "Uniblue SpeedupMYPC" GUI (not exactly a software I would like to have installed)

see: https://www.google.com/search?q=Uniblue&nfpr=1&tbs=&tbm=isch

Perhaps those red and green labels may be changed into something more pleasant.

I hope mywot will get something more than aesthetic improvements
[/quote]

Thanks for the comment. There is some resemblance with "Uniblue" buttons and these are not even buttons.

Here is full range of ratings:
Image

Guest

RE: User rating and comment

Post by Guest » Thu May 08, 2014 12:34 pm

<quote user="timo">
Thanks for the comment. There is some resemblance with "Uniblue" buttons and these are not even buttons.

Here is full range of ratings:
Image
[/quote]

You are welcome.
It looks like much better now:)
Thank you


Satchman
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RE: User rating and comment

Post by Satchman » Fri May 09, 2014 2:36 am

Many reviews are very old. I think the ratings and reviews should be treated like a Moving Average where the ratings and reviews older than say 6 months get dropped off or at least removed from the score and can be archived if you need to keep a record. Web sites are constantly being changed and improved, if the website owner wants to get any business or other activity, so this needs to be taken into account. Old ratings and review from 1 to 3 years ago tell the rest of us who are looking to see if we can trust a website absolutely nothing useful.


I agree with this,

Due to the Internet always changing, comment reviews more than six months old should be purged from the system. They don't reflect changes in a website's in respect to the safety or content it contains in real time. Sites with Excellent reputations and high confidence level in the past (download.com- en.softonic.com) are presently cesspools of malware.

My proposal is for the new WOT team to come up with a better system of "Trust", so that ratings reflect the status of a site in real time, or as close to that as possible. The potential excellence of WOT becomes useless to millions of users, when they see that sites like I mentioned above have a green color composite, but bundle malware with their downloads. The problem is that popular sites with a lot of shaded in people on the WOT scorecard, force ratings to be locked-in for years, as the data on the website changes all the time.

The point being is that under WOT's current logarithmic system, it is almost impossible to rate down a popular site that has had years of ratings, simply because it has been rated by thousands to millions of people. WOT's current system assumes that popular sites are "good safe" sites and that is not always a fair association:

Millions of people go to Cnet.com/downloads every day. Companies like Avast Anti-Virus even LINK their download to Cnet!
Millions of people go to porn sites everyday. There are porn sites with high WOT Trustworthiness
Millions of people go to gambling sites everyday. There are gambling sites with high WOT reputations
Millions of people go to Facebook everyday. Facebook has an excellent WOT Trustworthiness and Child Safety rating.

The popularity component of a website in WOT's current system is given too much weight, and I think this is something that should be changed.

Satch




drsumit
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RE: User rating and comment

Post by drsumit » Fri May 09, 2014 4:04 am

<quote user="satchman">
I agree with this,

Due to the Internet always changing, comment reviews more than six months old should be purged from the system. They don't reflect changes in a website's in respect to the safety or content it contains in real time. Sites with Excellent reputations and high confidence level in the past (download.com- en.softonic.com) are presently cesspools of malware.

My proposal is for the new WOT team to come up with a better system of "Trust", so that ratings reflect the status of a site in real time, or as close to that as possible. The potential excellence of WOT becomes useless to millions of users, when they see that sites like I mentioned above have a green color composite, but bundle malware with their downloads. The problem is that popular sites with a lot of shaded in people on the WOT scorecard, force ratings to be locked-in for years, as the data on the website changes all the time.

The point being is that under WOT's current logarithmic system, it is almost impossible to rate down a popular site that has had years of ratings, simply because it has been rated by thousands to millions of people. WOT's current system assumes that popular sites are "good safe" sites and that is not always a fair association:

Millions of people go to Cnet.com/downloads every day. Companies like Avast Anti-Virus even LINK their download to Cnet!
Millions of people go to porn sites everyday. There are porn sites with high WOT Trustworthiness
Millions of people go to gambling sites everyday. There are gambling sites with high WOT reputations
Millions of people go to Facebook everyday. Facebook has an excellent WOT Trustworthiness and Child Safety rating.

The popularity component of a website in WOT's current system is given too much weight, and I think this is something that should be changed.

Satch
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If a site changes the ratings should also theoretically speaking. But with millions of websites growing its a daunting task for the wot team but guys you have to think about this. People will get tricked into thinking Cnet is safe when actually its not.

I would like to point you to one site - katz.cd - This domain used to be associated with warez distribution. Then the domain was sold to some scammers. Now this redirects to another scam site firstclass-download.com
https://www.mywot.com/en/scorecard/firstclass-download.com.

This website is a big scam - when people try to download stuff from this site they are forced to take a monthly subscription for downloads. Be adviced once you provide your credit card details the site will charge you continously and theres no way to stop unless the card is blocked. Many people have been scammed by this fradulent website. Also after subscription most of the downloads are fake and loaded with malicious content so never download anything off this website.

Yet Katz.cd has a excellent trustworthiness - See http://prntscr.com/3hjjam
Scorecard - https://www.mywot.com/en/scorecard/katz.cd

Which is not accurate because it redirects to a dangerous unsafe website. Because of change of ownership
whole thing has changed. We need revised rating for this site.



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