WOT freemium

alphacentauri
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RE: WOT freemium

Post by alphacentauri » Sat Apr 12, 2014 7:15 am

Thank you, Timo, for posting the screen shot so I could see what it is about. And I can tell you that if that popped up on my screen, I would NOT know what it was about. I would be, "WTF?"

And I have no idea what "freemium" is supposed to mean. It sound like you get the premium service free but pay for inferior service. It makes no sense.

Whoever at WOT decides how to visually communicate information/instructions has a brain that works much differently than mine. I still have to hunt around to find the places to click on the new scorecard to enter a rating. And I've got a graduate degree. I think the WOT team just has to accept that crafting a popup screen is not going to be something they're likely to be good at.

In particular, the word "unlock" was a very, very unfortunate choice. It implies WOT has captured something that is the property of the user and isn't going to release it without getting paid. I know the term gets used in gaming. But not everyone is a gamer.

I would suggest that instead of retroactively "locking" accounts of current users, you decide going forward on what functions will be free and what additional functions will require a fee to be "added." People are very accustomed to that business model for smart phone downloads.

And in case you're taking suggestions: Having WOT block bad sites by default should be changed to having the option to block bad sites be a paid function. Lots of people have posted here that they are installing WOT on other people's computers. They might be willing to pay to not only protect those people but to actually protect the computers/network FROM those people. We all know people who would be willing to visit a bad site, red donut or not.

I would not make rating sites be a condition for free service. Heavily used sites like Facebook already have reputations they don't deserve because they get good ratings from so many of the very people who need WOT to protect them. Trying to extort more of them into doing that would only cause WOTs accuracy to decrease.

And please understand that criminals would quickly learn to exploit the system to get clueless users to provide good ratings to phishing sites. You haven't figured out how to deal with ratings for controversial sites like political websites. You don't need the headache of floods of good ratings for fake bank sites every time a spam campaign goes out, with just a few of us to offer bad ratings in response.

Court.Hale
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RE: WOT freemium

Post by Court.Hale » Sat Apr 12, 2014 7:32 am

At first I thought this was a great idea, but then as I started rating sites to bypass the freemium I remembered why I never did so in the first place. I don't know much about virus's and malware, I began rating sites that I've used and were pretty new and had no rating. In fact one had a orange rating, I rated it green though. I don't know if my score was inaccurate. So I could be wrong but I could imagine this would cause a lot of speedy and inaccurate ratings to hit wot pretty fast.

c۞g
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RE: WOT freemium

Post by c۞g » Sat Apr 12, 2014 10:39 am

<quote user="court.hale">I don't know much about virus's and malware[/quote]
WOT is not about Malware, it never has been.
The security behind WOT is solely about trsutworthiness.
For example, there are many scams on the Net which do not involve Malware but are not something you could trust.
I began rating sites that I've used and were pretty new and had no rating.
That is what WOT is about. People offering ratings for sites they are familiar with, especially the low-traffic (local?) sites.



Retarded Joker
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RE: WOT freemium

Post by Retarded Joker » Sat Apr 12, 2014 1:37 pm

This is a horrible idea because:
1. Not everyone has time to post.
2. Not everyone, knows what to do, how to rate, etc.
3. Not everyone, knows if a site is actually good or contains virus. ( Out of the millions of users, less than a million truly know how to determine if a site is risky or not. )
I have been a member since 2010. Well, I don't honestly find this idea to be great. It's like, forcing members to post regarding a website or rate a website when they don't have much knowledge regarding the website.
A Site's ratings and posts might get flooded with random ratings, affecting the reputation of the Website.
Moreover, people might post ratings for sites like Facebook , for the sake of it. What is the use of rating and posting about already famous websites?

Guest

RE: WOT freemium

Post by Guest » Sat Apr 12, 2014 5:12 pm

<quote user="timo">
We implemented this test to learn about it and surely we have already learned a lot. The test is currently limited to 5000 people out of millions of Chrome users. It's still a lot but it's needed to get enough data.

Its unfortunately that some of you are in test group and feel betrayed. If you want to be excluded from the test and don't want to rate or pay then send us freedback at http://www.mywot.com/support/feedback and we will remove you from the test.

Just to be sure we haven't made any decisions about freemium and we will listen to you all.
[/quote]
Ten days ago, you posted the previous statement


From all the feedback, we gave you, have you found a common denominator to say, this is the reason why this trial or test, cannot proceed along?
Is there anything that we can do, in order for you to have the time, to carry out the idea from COG?
I will like you to, to extend the time for IssViews, to come back with all of his activity numbers
As you said
We shall also discontinue this test at latest next Wednesday.
He was not aware of this
Best regards

Satchman
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RE: WOT freemium

Post by Satchman » Sat Apr 12, 2014 8:51 pm

<quote user="superhero58">
Ten days ago, you posted the previous statement


From all the feedback, we gave you, have you found a common denominator to say, this is the reason why this trial or text, cannot proceed along?
Is there anything that we can do, in order for you to have the time, to carry out the idea from COG?
I will like you to, to extend the time for IssViews, to come back with all of his activity numbers
As you said

He was not aware of this
Best regards
[/quote]

I agree with SuperHero58,

IssViews should somehow be made aware of the discontinuation of the test. He was a great member of the WOT community! Timo, it would be cool if he could come back to WOT with his old reputation level, posts, and statuses intact. Can he be contacted via email to know that the experiment has been discontinued? I believe he would be happy to know this, as would many other WOT members!

Thanks in advance for any assistance in this matter!

Regards,

Satch


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RE: WOT freemium

Post by Guest » Sat Apr 12, 2014 11:26 pm

<quote user="timo">
c۞g idea is a good one. We have some plans to do it, but it requires money and time to get implemented. Also it's not evident how much money we could make with our own browser or would anyone even use it. There are so many free alternatives and most of them. WOT browser would have same problem as others that it would be two steps behind official Chrome browsers.
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Thank you for your reply.
Incidentally I bought a tablet with android a month ago. Should you need a beta tester I'll be glad to help you.

Chrome browser for android cannot be customized a lot and you have to say goodbye to your online privacy if you want to utilize some google products and services.

What about a free browser with mywot included and a trial one with mywot,and anti-XSS, anti-tracking, anti-tefth, unwanted SMS/Calls filter, ads-detector features, (I'd like to have an adblocker, too, but Google removed all adblockers from his "Google play store")?
I'm confident that your developers know their job and if you do not try you will never know.


Court.Hale
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RE: WOT freemium

Post by Court.Hale » Sun Apr 13, 2014 1:43 am

<quote user="c۞g">
WOT is not about Malware, it never has been.
The security behind WOT is solely about trsutworthiness.
For example, there are many scams on the Net which do not involve Malware but are not something you could trust.


That is what WOT is about. People offering ratings for sites they are familiar with, especially the low-traffic (local?) sites.
[/quote]

Well what I mean, is that you guys are the experts. I don't know crap and I don't really scour the internet that much. For example, I just went through my bookmarks to meet what they were asking me to do. And I had to go to sites that I've been to only a couple of times that had the potential to be unsafe and I had to rate them with the little experience that I had. And the reason why I came to this conclusion of this experiment potentially being bad, was I went to one bookmark that had no rating but it seemed fine to me so I gave it a green. I went to the next one, which was a site which was about and did the exact same thing as the one prior and it was orange. So I don't know if my rating for the prior bookmark was wrong. I briefly visited the site. I'm still alive, my computer didn't blow up and no porn popped up. So I voted it green. I would have never voted for it though in the past simply because I didn't know. If there was a site I knew was bad, I would have voted for it. I'm sure many people do who don't regularly vote. And then of course there are those who are dedicated and experienced who vote for every site.

For reference, here are the two sites:

http://forklift.sandcube.net/
http://dealscans.com/

I'm not saying it's the right thing or the wrong thing. I'm not saying it's bad for them to make money either, hopefully that's not the sole purpose otherwise the system will fail. I think they'll figure it out though. I'm just saying my experience is one thing to consider.

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RE: WOT freemium

Post by millcreek74 » Sun Apr 13, 2014 7:32 am

<quote user="lostbuddy1">
Just off of this whole "freemium" nonsense you just lost about 20 people including me. All the pc's I've installed this on are for people that aren't tech savy, I doubt they'll want to go forth and rate any websites as they hardly know how to navigate google. Easy to do yes I agree but the majority of people are lazy. Now I gotta look for something that's similar to this. You can go ahead and tell those 20 people how to rate it and be frustrated, and that's only 20. Thousands are gonna be wondering why their stuff isn't working and see that they have to pay, I dunno but to me that's pretty much a green light to look elsewhere for something that does work. Hopefully you guys can find a different approach before it's too late.
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I just found several pieces on FB that want my to pay or not be able to see the videos... I do watch for the green circle to enter a website or not and have been using it for 4 years. Now, I find that I need to rate other websites for free service? I have better things to do with my time and if this doesn't stop with the pay or else, I will find something else and spread the word on FB, Twitter and everything else I can think of.
I have gone to sites I know are safe and the WOT warning comes up to give me a choice to back out...Seems like a few other people and I are not that trustful of what may be a bunch of idiots with nothing better to do than screw up the ratings of deserving sites- good or bad.

Don't like to be blackmailed, so I suggest a reversal of ideas for this site.

c۞g
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RE: WOT freemium

Post by c۞g » Sun Apr 13, 2014 11:48 am

<quote user="timo">c۞g idea is a good one. We have some plans to do it, but it requires money and time to get implemented.[/quote]
  • The "plan"
    via: http://www.crunchbase.com/company/against-intuition
    August 2012 - [url=http://www.crunchbase.com/product/wot-mobile-solutions t=_self] WOT Mobile Solutions[/url]
  • The "money" - €1M (approx. ~$1.3M USD)
    November 2012 - [url=https://www.mywot.com/press/web-of-trust-closes-investment-round-from-inventure t=_self]Web of Trust Closes Investment Round from Inventure[/url] | [url=https://www.mywot.com/blog/420-celebrating-new-investment t=_self]Celebrating new investment![/url]
  • The "time"
    - it's been a year and a half.

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