3 disgusting sites (CP) - and a rating dilemma

MysteryFCM
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I'll ...

Post by MysteryFCM » Thu Apr 16, 2009 4:36 am

... leave it to the more qualified and better writers ;o)

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phantazm
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Reported 2

Post by phantazm » Thu Apr 16, 2009 5:00 am

I've also reported it to abuse@Mail.ru - and got this back:

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You request was received at 16.04.2009 08:51. It was assinged the following ID: «CP report»

Please, do not change the subject and your request ID in your replies to this message. It takes up to 5 days to process your request. We will contact you as soon as possible.

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c۞g
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grabs a chair and sits down...

Post by c۞g » Thu Apr 16, 2009 7:42 am

Just got to WOT, noticed I had a PM directing me halfway through this thread, but since the entire thread is "new" since my last visit, I started at the top and must say it's confusing...

The initial post discusses pr0n, explicitly I might add, and IMO that's in bad taste simply because these Forums are open to people of ALL AGES and since WOT does not have a "13 and over" requirement a 10 year old could be here, not as a member but simply as a visitor and the graphic phrases emphasized as quotation should NOT be there!

@ phantazm
could you please edit it by copying this instead?
"Dear Sir, Again and again we share our best vids to our dear customers, available only from e-mail, really COOL and HOT Children Porn!
...
For webmasters, that want to become CP and Zoo affiliates, contact (omitted).
If you have children content or you want to record some, please contact us."


This is all we really need to see, isn't it?

Now the source; there is none!
Why bring this up without a site?

Digging around I found some sites related to this thread:

[url=http://www.mywot.com/en/scorecard/youngvideo.ws t=_self]youngvideo.ws[/url]
displays this page
[img]http://i562.photobucket.com/albums/ss66/gate7wizard/bs/spam/screenCAP_youngvideos-ws.jpg[/img]

[url=http://www.mywot.com/en/scorecard/erogay.ws t=_self]erogay.ws[/url] and [url=http://www.mywot.com/en/scorecard/euromix.ws t=_self]euromix.ws[/url]
both display this page
[img]http://i562.photobucket.com/albums/ss66/gate7wizard/bs/spam/screenCAP_euromix-ws.jpg[/img]

None of which are pr0n, but they are scams and I've rated and commented as such.

More on IP: 91.202.63.107
[url=http://www.mywot.com/en/scorecard/eropays.ws t=_self]eropays.ws[/url] AKA [url=https://www.mywot.comeropays.com t=_self]eropays.com[/url] AKA [url=https://www.mywot.comero-pays.com t=_self]ero-pays.com[/url]
[url=http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=ru&u=http://www.eropays.ws/&ei=-dbmSdvaLIyaMvC2jPAF&sa=X&oi=translate&resnum=1&ct=result&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dwww.ero-pays.com%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DG t=_self]translated RU to EN[/url]
This site: [url=http://www.mywot.com/en/scorecard/ep-help.com t=_self]ep-help.com[/url]
[url=http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=ru&u=http://www.ep-help.com/&ei=as_mSa3BEYjwMouG1e8F&sa=X&oi=translate&resnum=1&ct=result&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dhttp://www.ep-help.com/%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DG t=_self]translated RU to EN[/url]
handles "help" via charged SMS messages for:

[url=http://www.mywot.com/en/scorecard/sms-ocean.ws t=_self]sms-ocean.ws[/url] pr0n!
young-video.ws results with:[url=http://whois.domaintools.com/young-video.ws t=_self]Domain Terminated for Spamming[/url]
[url=http://www.mywot.com/en/scorecard/euromix.ws t=_self]euromix.ws[/url]


Others:
[url=http://www.mywot.com/en/scorecard/youngs-video.com t=_self]youngs-video.com[/url] - pr0n!
[url=http://www.mywot.com/en/scorecard/erogayxxx.com t=_self]erogayxxx.com[/url] - pr0n!
[url=http://www.mywot.com/en/scorecard/euromixxx.com t=_self]euromixxx.com[/url] - pr0n!

@ MysteryFCM
It sure would be nice to see each of the domain names listed in this reply along with the IP listed in hpHosts :-)

Links direct to WOT Scorecards, except the two translations - Rate all of them RED
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paul g
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grabs a chair and sits down...

Post by paul g » Thu Apr 16, 2009 9:07 am

Hi,g7w..I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOUR COMMENT,I WAS DISGUSTED TO SEE
THAT POST,being a pearant myself that is not something i expected to read on a
open forum,somebody take it off please...ASAP...

THANKYOU........p..................

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...

Post by MysteryFCM » Thu Apr 16, 2009 11:36 am

Thanks for letting me know. I couldn't check them, so couldn't include them. As they've been checked now however, both by yourself, and a friend, and found not to contain such, I've included them in hpHosts with the PSH classification.

"Now the source; there is none!
Why bring this up without a site?"


Because posting such in public, without veryifying they DO NOT contain CP, is illegal (and is covered under distribution). The fact they don't is irrelevant - the suggestion and thus the risk, was present (the motto for this kind of site should always be - if in doubt, pass it to the authorities, they can verify it legally, without risk of prosecution).

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PHung
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How to rate CP sites

Post by PHung » Fri Apr 17, 2009 11:03 pm

Dear WOT,

Getting CP sites shut down and these scum arrested is important. However I understand why we should not visit such sites even to investigate and red circle them. Still it does create a dilemma, how can we convict a site if we can't see the evidence. I suggest that we recruit a person who is a competent authority who can examine the site and make sure WOT blocks access. This requires two things: One, the recruitment of anti-CP police as WOT members. Two, providing them with an account that can quickly block CP sites without needing many people to rate them.

Yours

PHung

c۞g
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Agree

Post by c۞g » Sat Apr 18, 2009 12:01 am

I agree.
WOT should have "special acounts" for and recruit Law Enforcement from all over the planet.

But the "catch 22" is...
I open my Gmail which displays valid good site with green rating symbol, but through XSS I am redirected to 8year-old-sex.com I have now, involuntarily visited a valid CP site. My IP is logged on their severs as well as their domain is logged with my ISP. I should report this through many possible methods, but the fact that in reporting, I must provide personal identifiable information, so now I'm "busted" as a "kiddie porn freak." So... WOT recruits Law Enforcement, they red flag valid CP sites... here's the other "catch 22" - WOT needs to record them as Low Rated domain so there is a Scorecard available, wouldn't that card be "illegal" just like displaying the CP.com domain name in a forum or blog?

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Sami
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Re: Agree

Post by Sami » Sat Apr 18, 2009 12:27 am

there is a Scorecard available, wouldn't that card be "illegal"

Wait a minute, what kind of a twisted police state has laws that say it's illegal to talk about a website that may have illegal content? By that definition, all search engines would be illegal too.

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Lawful excuse

Post by logicman » Sat Apr 18, 2009 1:40 am

From time to time I come across CP sites. When I do, I report them to the proper authorities immediately.

My protection in law is that I have a 'lawful excuse'. If I witness a crime and report it, in what way can I be held to have acted illegally? If a web site engages in any criminal activity whatsoever, I can only know, rather than just believe it, if I check my facts. Whilst I might report vague suspicions, this causes delay. A CP site reported by me as definitely illegal is out of Google search results almost instantly, and often ISP blocked within 10 minutes.

The law against downloading is covered by my sandbox. When I delete the sandbox, every last trace is gone - I have downloaded nothing into my physical computer.

But I would rather the ISPs stopped this themselves.
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c۞g
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from what I've gathered

Post by c۞g » Sat Apr 18, 2009 4:39 am

[url=http://www.mywot.com/en/forum/3115-3-disgusting-sites-cp-rate-em-red-asap?comment=10648#comment-10648 t=_self]looking up,[/url]
posting their domain names to public forums, is covered under distribution, which is also illegal under CP laws

Quoting from [url=http://www.mywot.com/en/forum/2196-childporn?comment=7962#comment-7962 t=_self]here[/url]
"If you come across such sites, or are made aware of sites that *may* contain CP, DO NOT load them, under ANY circumstances. Instead they should be reported to appropriate authorities. Knowingly accessing such sites, even if the intentions are simply to confirm it does actually contain CP, is illegal in the vast majority of countries. As such, by doing so, you are opening yourself up to investigation by the authorities and the very real possibility of prosecution (again, doing so for investigation purposes is NOT an excuse that the authorities will allow you to use). Report it via the links above, and let the authorities confirm whether or not the site contains such content."

Then there is [url=http://www.mywot.com/en/forum/2196-childporn?comment=7972#comment-7972 t=_self]this:partial quote[/url]
Unfortunately, there is no way to deal with these, other than to report them based on suspicion as UK and US law (not sure about anywhere else), does not allow for researchers/verification, unless the person doing such, is directly associated with law enforcement, and even then, only certain sections of LE, are authorised to deal with this kind of site.
...


Which has led me to the "catch 22"
how do I know a site has CP?
by the site name? - no
by psychic abilities? - no
by visiting? - maybe; first it must be a porn site, then.. what if no evidence of CP on front page? do I lurk for every mage trying to find CP? no so what do I do? rate it, maybe comment as well and be on my way. Could it contain CP? maybe, but I personally am not "hanging around to find out" So what is there to report?
Then there's that 1 or 2 lowely site that IS CP do I rate it? no why? I'm not hanging around... Do I report it? Not if those previous quotes are correct; I just quietly go on my way...
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