Exterminate It! Antimalware situation

giedrius
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You use prejudice that it is

Post by giedrius » Mon Sep 27, 2010 7:20 pm

You use prejudice that it is a scam if it does not prove otherwise.
I use prejudice that it is not scam if I can not prove it is.

Personally, I have not seen any cookies removed or detected in this version, which I found strange. Both PCs I have tested it are heavily used for browsing. So... maybe it dropped or limited cookie detection?

Also, the location of infection is quite clear.

Actually, the most guilty softwares on cookie detection are spybot S&D and superantispyware. They detect a LOT of cookies compared to other programs, and many of them are harmless. One could even argue that the detection of cookies by superantispyware leads people into purchasing full version believing that it provides superb detection and protection compared to other programs. I think they are both good tools that can mislead novices somewhat, though I would never pay for protection from cookies as well.

Note - I do not say exterminate it is good tool. It is not, and it might never become great. However, it is legitimate program whose owners can go 2 ways : improve it and make it good, or go rogue/scareware ways.

Personally, I would like to see more healthy competition between legitimate malware removal and protection tools. This would be beneficial for end user.



Guest

My problem with them is the way they market

Post by Guest » Mon Sep 27, 2010 9:23 pm

Look this definitely looks to me like spam.
http://www.mywot.com/en/scorecard/exterminate-it.com#page-7

Guest

Prejudice?

Post by Guest » Tue Sep 28, 2010 12:38 am

@ giedrius

"You use prejudice that it is a scam if it does not prove otherwise."
Am I prejudiced against software that charges to remove tracking cookies when the same can be done at no cost with browser tools? You're darn tootin!!

And as far as proof, see below.

"I use prejudice that it is not scam if I can not prove it is"
Does that mean you do not think software that charges to remove tracking cookies when the same can be done at no cost with browser tools is a scam?

Or if you're saying you cannot duplicate my results, then perhaps I would understand your position.

Here are my results:

[url=http://i52.tinypic.com/2hq8gsn.jpg t=_self][img]http://i52.tinypic.com/2hq8gsn.jpg[/img][/url]

And then, pressing the "Exterminate" button:

[url=http://i56.tinypic.com/wlodqs.jpg t=_self][img]http://i56.tinypic.com/wlodqs.jpg[/img][/url]

Pressing "OK":

[url=http://i51.tinypic.com/rv93ki.jpg t=>Image[/url]

Now as far as I can see, that DOES prove that they are charging for the removal of tracking cookies, hence it DOES "prove" to me that this is a scam.

And as I said before, the fact that it does not have a "scary" message makes it no less of a scam. Not having a "scary" message is just the author's disingenuous way of avoiding being accused of being scareware.

Sure, you can remove these manually and sure exterminate-it.com says that, but most novices don't know how to remove harmless tracking cookies manually. Does that mean they should pay for it? Why?

On that very topic, I think it was Jazspeak that remarked that it would be good if ExterminateIt at least gave instructions on that.

Should they give instructions on malware removal? Probably not, other than directing a novice to malware removal forums.

Would doing those things go against their "business model"? Probably. But as far as I'm concerned, it is a scam business model anyway, and I would be more than pleased to see it dissolved and them go belly up.

EDIT: People who prey on the ignorance of novices under the guise of "helping them" to remove something that's harmless anyway, and then charging them for that, are scammers in my book.

Guest

Oh, so many 1 rate, 0

Post by Guest » Tue Sep 28, 2010 3:08 pm

Oh, so many 1 rate, 0 comment posters on that scorecard and many have used virtually the same expressions but worded so as to not be direct copies of eachother! The last time I saw that sort of activity was when IOBit were trying to salvage their scorecard from running deep red by using dubious WOT user accounts.

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RE: Exterminate It! Antimalware situation

Post by LeecherMods » Mon Jul 11, 2011 1:35 pm

How can one try to judge about False Positives and don't know that nearly all AV's have it?

Search and download a few seldom used executable packers: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executable_compression
Pack a few files and upload the compressed smaller files to virustotal.com
See how many AV's falsely flag all packed files, cause they can not scan inside, as viruses.
Unpack them manually with Ollidbg and the false positives are gone.
That's a fault of many AV's where them scan engine is 'not good enough' (sucks) to scan/unpack within compressed binaries and flag all as viruses instead. They don't tell you that them engine can not scan in binary compressed/packed files.
By some popular AV's it's already enough to change one or two bytes (which cant be a Virus) in a dll or exe header and it shows false positive.

Wasn't Prevx Free scan with a high reputation the same practice. You was need to pay for removal of the detected threads.

Guest

RE: Exterminate It! Antimalware situation

Post by Guest » Mon Jul 11, 2011 1:51 pm

@LeecherMods

Thank you (not) for reviving a one year old thead to add nothing of interest.

Guest

RE: Exterminate It! Antimalware situation

Post by Guest » Wed Jul 13, 2011 4:19 am

<quote user = "leechermods">
Wasn't Prevx Free scan with a high reputation the same practice. You was need to pay for removal of the detected threads.
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No Doubt they are using the same approach like Exterminate it.
Yes free Prevx is a scan only version and to remove you have to pay.

And most important thing they generate a lot of false positives.

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