<quote user="destinationtruth">
No not enough to search, yet enough for the police to investigate
If you knew without a doubt that your friends was not guilty of a crime, wouldn't you do everything you could to prove such, and if you found they did. . . well would you cover it up.
I personally would do the right thing. Friend or no friend.
Do they let me finish?
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If I says yes , then you would be happy and if I say no then you will be upset. As a friend, I say Yes, however, to make a point, then I must say no!
I must admit, I would ask the same question. (smile)
Have a wonderful day!
Medicina Mexico
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RE: Medicina Mexico
<quote user="samuel40">
If I says yes , then you would be happy and if I say no then you will be upset. As a friend, I say Yes, however, to make a point, then I must say no!
I must admit, I would ask the same question. (smile)
Have a wonderful day!
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Well if the question is, would I turn a friend in; the answer can be found here: https://www.mywot.com/en/forum/23060-mitchelldownes-tk?comment=144736#comment-144736
Right is right, wrong is wrong.
I hope you don't sell your ethics out. . . all in all you sound like a decent person.
Heidi-Ann
If I says yes , then you would be happy and if I say no then you will be upset. As a friend, I say Yes, however, to make a point, then I must say no!
I must admit, I would ask the same question. (smile)
Have a wonderful day!
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Well if the question is, would I turn a friend in; the answer can be found here: https://www.mywot.com/en/forum/23060-mitchelldownes-tk?comment=144736#comment-144736
Right is right, wrong is wrong.
I hope you don't sell your ethics out. . . all in all you sound like a decent person.
Heidi-Ann
RE: Medicina Mexico
<quote user="myxt">
That is data, which can be manipulated - entirely fake domain records are common. And, as you know, bills can be paid electronically from anywhere. My question is: would a live human owner / administrator (or in-store promotional materials) at (not by phone or mail) a given physical store confirm a corresponding web domain?
If I were there, I would start by walking in and grabbing a business card.
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For the Mexican Businesses we require a RFC which is their Hacienda paperwork. This is a form and number issued by our Tax authority.
You are correct, everything can be manipulated however in this specific case, I know the owners of the sites that are not online. Tijuana is a small town compared to San Diego and most of the people here are known to me.
That is data, which can be manipulated - entirely fake domain records are common. And, as you know, bills can be paid electronically from anywhere. My question is: would a live human owner / administrator (or in-store promotional materials) at (not by phone or mail) a given physical store confirm a corresponding web domain?
If I were there, I would start by walking in and grabbing a business card.
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For the Mexican Businesses we require a RFC which is their Hacienda paperwork. This is a form and number issued by our Tax authority.
You are correct, everything can be manipulated however in this specific case, I know the owners of the sites that are not online. Tijuana is a small town compared to San Diego and most of the people here are known to me.
RE: Medicina Mexico
<quote user="jazspeak">
Perhaps your legal counsel should acquaint themselves with UK laws regarding the supply of prescription drugs. See the following:
http://www.mhra.gov.uk/Howweregulate/Medicines/index.htm
http://www.mhra.gov.uk/Howweregulate/Medicines/Availabilityprescribingsellingandsupplyingofmedicines/index.htm
http://www.mhra.gov.uk/Howweregulate/Medicines/Doesmyproductneedalicence/index.htm
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2003/02/20/uk_crack_down_on_prescription/
Although I am not an American, I am aware that the US has similar legislation restricting the unlicensed supply and distribution of drugs.
Where sites, such as the OP site, are selling unlicensed prescription drugs then it would be a fairly simple matter for the site owners and/or the server owners to restrict access from countries where such activities are illegal. All that has to be done is to block the IP ranges that apply to those countries that require licensing of such drugs unless the site owners can demonstrate that they. have the necessary licenses.
Edit: The list of available drugs on the OP site can be compared to the lists of drugs requiring UK licenses.
See
http://www.mims.co.uk/
and
http://www.mhra.gov.uk/home/groups/es-foi/documents/websiteresources/con009691.pdf
and
http://www.netdoctor.co.uk/medicines/howtouse_database.htm
and so on.
Edit 2: IMHO the MIMS site should be in the "excellent" ratings category since it has long been the 'bible' of drugs for UK medical professionals.
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You are assuming that they in this case have sold drugs to the UK against their laws. You could be correct, however where are the facts to support this? Please read my murder question above and you will better understand what I am saying.
Perhaps your legal counsel should acquaint themselves with UK laws regarding the supply of prescription drugs. See the following:
http://www.mhra.gov.uk/Howweregulate/Medicines/index.htm
http://www.mhra.gov.uk/Howweregulate/Medicines/Availabilityprescribingsellingandsupplyingofmedicines/index.htm
http://www.mhra.gov.uk/Howweregulate/Medicines/Doesmyproductneedalicence/index.htm
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2003/02/20/uk_crack_down_on_prescription/
Although I am not an American, I am aware that the US has similar legislation restricting the unlicensed supply and distribution of drugs.
Where sites, such as the OP site, are selling unlicensed prescription drugs then it would be a fairly simple matter for the site owners and/or the server owners to restrict access from countries where such activities are illegal. All that has to be done is to block the IP ranges that apply to those countries that require licensing of such drugs unless the site owners can demonstrate that they. have the necessary licenses.
Edit: The list of available drugs on the OP site can be compared to the lists of drugs requiring UK licenses.
See
http://www.mims.co.uk/
and
http://www.mhra.gov.uk/home/groups/es-foi/documents/websiteresources/con009691.pdf
and
http://www.netdoctor.co.uk/medicines/howtouse_database.htm
and so on.
Edit 2: IMHO the MIMS site should be in the "excellent" ratings category since it has long been the 'bible' of drugs for UK medical professionals.
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You are assuming that they in this case have sold drugs to the UK against their laws. You could be correct, however where are the facts to support this? Please read my murder question above and you will better understand what I am saying.
RE: Medicina Mexico
<quote user="jazspeak">
Perhaps your legal counsel should acquaint themselves with UK laws regarding the supply of prescription drugs. See the following:
http://www.mhra.gov.uk/Howweregulate/Medicines/index.htm
http://www.mhra.gov.uk/Howweregulate/Medicines/Availabilityprescribingsellingandsupplyingofmedicines/index.htm
http://www.mhra.gov.uk/Howweregulate/Medicines/Doesmyproductneedalicence/index.htm
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2003/02/20/uk_crack_down_on_prescription/
Although I am not an American, I am aware that the US has similar legislation restricting the unlicensed supply and distribution of drugs.
Where sites, such as the OP site, are selling unlicensed prescription drugs then it would be a fairly simple matter for the site owners and/or the server owners to restrict access from countries where such activities are illegal. All that has to be done is to block the IP ranges that apply to those countries that require licensing of such drugs unless the site owners can demonstrate that they. have the necessary licenses.
Edit: The list of available drugs on the OP site can be compared to the lists of drugs requiring UK licenses.
See
http://www.mims.co.uk/
and
http://www.mhra.gov.uk/home/groups/es-foi/documents/websiteresources/con009691.pdf
and
http://www.netdoctor.co.uk/medicines/howtouse_database.htm
and so on.
Edit 2: IMHO the MIMS site should be in the "excellent" ratings category since it has long been the 'bible' of drugs for UK medical professionals.
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Jazspeak
I did bring this subject in the morning up with the Legal counsel. By the way, our legal counsel is both licensed to practice law in Mexico and also in the United States. He has his cedular here in Mexico and he is licensed in New York, Calfiornia and DC. Believe it or not, he did this before age 30. His uncle is a Notario Publico here in Tijuana where there are only 12 and his mother is a teacher.
He is not only a friend but I trust him as a professional. A lot of my comments came from him after conversation on this subject. I am going to repeat myself.
These laws mean nothing unless you are trained in the law as an attorney and you know the case law behind each law. Further, you must know the intent of the courts and how they view the elements.. I am sure there are many laws on the books in the UK which are no longer enforced. Even assuming that these laws were enforceable. How do we know that this specific company violated these laws without real proof. You do not put people under arrest, or seize their property based upon someone's wet dream of wrong doing.
In this case, you read a law, you are not an attorney and based upon what you have read you are ready to send the the so called offender for execution without a trial. That does not make sense!
Real law enforcement does their jobs everyday. They investigate cases, and with the approval of a prosecutor they charged the person whom they believe has committed an offense based upon acceptable evidence. That person is entitled to a defense. There is a trial and if found guilty then there may be an appeal.
Here there is no defense. Guilty get out the popcorn and the beer, we are having a HANGING? The fact that no evidence exists is not important because I had a wet dream last night and you are guilty!
Lets assume you are 100% RIGHT. Turn the matter over to the proper law enforcement in your country for prosecution and investigation. Do not take the law into your own hands.
My staff tells me the FBI was here last week for an investigation into illegal gambling where the subjects are now under 24 hour surveillance in both the US, Mexico and other countries. Law enforcement works with law enforcement in other countries and they have no problem when it comes to arresting violators.
Computers are used in a lot of crimes as we all know. It is not uncommon for law enforcement to be present at data centers. A lot of these investigators we know on a first name basis since they are here so often. Some do wire taps, some do computer forensics and some just wait until someone shows up either online or in person. In each case, these people are authorized under the law to do what they do and under the express direction of a prosecutor.
I have testified several times in both our courts and in the United States in criminal cases regarding illegal activity at the datacenter by customers. This is everyday activity for a datacenter where customers computers, data and telephone lines are interconnected.
Here there is no law enforcement and no prosecutors, or even attorneys to say that the activity is illegal. Most importantly there are no facts to support the untrained assumptions of third parties. Yet, I respect the fact that eveyone here is trying their best to protect the internet.
No one here has answered any of the questions that I have presented on the flip side, which all deserve truthfull answers. Why is this?
Each case of suspected wrong doing should be turned over to law enforcement for investigation. Why is this not being done?
Based upon the above, I can not seize a computer, block IP's or look at someone elses data without a legal reason to do so.
Perhaps your legal counsel should acquaint themselves with UK laws regarding the supply of prescription drugs. See the following:
http://www.mhra.gov.uk/Howweregulate/Medicines/index.htm
http://www.mhra.gov.uk/Howweregulate/Medicines/Availabilityprescribingsellingandsupplyingofmedicines/index.htm
http://www.mhra.gov.uk/Howweregulate/Medicines/Doesmyproductneedalicence/index.htm
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2003/02/20/uk_crack_down_on_prescription/
Although I am not an American, I am aware that the US has similar legislation restricting the unlicensed supply and distribution of drugs.
Where sites, such as the OP site, are selling unlicensed prescription drugs then it would be a fairly simple matter for the site owners and/or the server owners to restrict access from countries where such activities are illegal. All that has to be done is to block the IP ranges that apply to those countries that require licensing of such drugs unless the site owners can demonstrate that they. have the necessary licenses.
Edit: The list of available drugs on the OP site can be compared to the lists of drugs requiring UK licenses.
See
http://www.mims.co.uk/
and
http://www.mhra.gov.uk/home/groups/es-foi/documents/websiteresources/con009691.pdf
and
http://www.netdoctor.co.uk/medicines/howtouse_database.htm
and so on.
Edit 2: IMHO the MIMS site should be in the "excellent" ratings category since it has long been the 'bible' of drugs for UK medical professionals.
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Jazspeak
I did bring this subject in the morning up with the Legal counsel. By the way, our legal counsel is both licensed to practice law in Mexico and also in the United States. He has his cedular here in Mexico and he is licensed in New York, Calfiornia and DC. Believe it or not, he did this before age 30. His uncle is a Notario Publico here in Tijuana where there are only 12 and his mother is a teacher.
He is not only a friend but I trust him as a professional. A lot of my comments came from him after conversation on this subject. I am going to repeat myself.
These laws mean nothing unless you are trained in the law as an attorney and you know the case law behind each law. Further, you must know the intent of the courts and how they view the elements.. I am sure there are many laws on the books in the UK which are no longer enforced. Even assuming that these laws were enforceable. How do we know that this specific company violated these laws without real proof. You do not put people under arrest, or seize their property based upon someone's wet dream of wrong doing.
In this case, you read a law, you are not an attorney and based upon what you have read you are ready to send the the so called offender for execution without a trial. That does not make sense!
Real law enforcement does their jobs everyday. They investigate cases, and with the approval of a prosecutor they charged the person whom they believe has committed an offense based upon acceptable evidence. That person is entitled to a defense. There is a trial and if found guilty then there may be an appeal.
Here there is no defense. Guilty get out the popcorn and the beer, we are having a HANGING? The fact that no evidence exists is not important because I had a wet dream last night and you are guilty!
Lets assume you are 100% RIGHT. Turn the matter over to the proper law enforcement in your country for prosecution and investigation. Do not take the law into your own hands.
My staff tells me the FBI was here last week for an investigation into illegal gambling where the subjects are now under 24 hour surveillance in both the US, Mexico and other countries. Law enforcement works with law enforcement in other countries and they have no problem when it comes to arresting violators.
Computers are used in a lot of crimes as we all know. It is not uncommon for law enforcement to be present at data centers. A lot of these investigators we know on a first name basis since they are here so often. Some do wire taps, some do computer forensics and some just wait until someone shows up either online or in person. In each case, these people are authorized under the law to do what they do and under the express direction of a prosecutor.
I have testified several times in both our courts and in the United States in criminal cases regarding illegal activity at the datacenter by customers. This is everyday activity for a datacenter where customers computers, data and telephone lines are interconnected.
Here there is no law enforcement and no prosecutors, or even attorneys to say that the activity is illegal. Most importantly there are no facts to support the untrained assumptions of third parties. Yet, I respect the fact that eveyone here is trying their best to protect the internet.
No one here has answered any of the questions that I have presented on the flip side, which all deserve truthfull answers. Why is this?
Each case of suspected wrong doing should be turned over to law enforcement for investigation. Why is this not being done?
Based upon the above, I can not seize a computer, block IP's or look at someone elses data without a legal reason to do so.
RE: Medicina Mexico
@ samuel40
<quote user="samuel40">
"...not only a friend..."
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I am not interested in your personal friendships or relationships.
<quote user="samuel40">
"These laws mean nothing unless you are trained in the law as an attorney..."
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That is not true. Even though I am not trained lawyer I have considerable experience of representing myself in the UK Courts, winning many important (to me) hearings in the UK, and I can say that anyone with a modicum of intelligence can easily research and understand the law. Indeed, I would go as far as to say that most lawyers and Judges have an overinflated sense of their own intelligence and abilities, and the general public have been misled if they think that lawyers and Judges are more intelligent than the average. Of course, I have come across more intelligent and diligent lawyers and Judges but they are very much in the minority. I should also point out that most lawyers and Judges do not actually know the law and have to research the law just like anyone else, except that they have the advantage of access to a closed-shop of legal libraries whereas normal folk have to go through more circuitous routes to get the necessary information.
<quote user="samuel40">
"...based upon what you have read you are ready to send the the so called offender for execution without a trial."
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I haven't condemned anyone. In fact, I haven't even rated the OP site. Therefore, you have again jumped to the wrong conclusions about me.
<quote user="samuel40">
"Real law enforcement does their jobs everyday."
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You think so? Well, I have got news for you. They don't always do their jobs, and I am presently involved in an action because I have evidence that the UK Police and Courts have not only failed to do their jobs but also have been complicit in serious criminal offences. Nothing to do with online pharmacies.
<quote user="samuel40">
"The fact that no evidence exists..."
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The evidence is clearly displayed on the OP site in their lists of drugs available for purchase by anyone in any country.
<quote user="samuel40">
"Do not take the law into your own hands."
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WOT ratings are not about taking the law into our own hands. WOT ratings are primarily about how much trust is placed in websites by visitors to those sites. If sites are perceived to be breaking the law then it follows that those sites are unlikely to be trusted.
<quote user="samuel40">
"I have testified several times in both our courts and in the United States in criminal cases..."
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Only "several times"? I have more than fifteen years experience of being grilled by Barristers and Judges, and my most recent experience in 2011 of representing myself I didn't just win the case but won hands-down against the trained lawyers of the Crown Prosecution Service. I can give you the case numbers if you really want to know but it is unimportant in the context of this thread.
<quote user="samuel40">
"...I can not seize a computer, block IP's or look at someone elses data without a legal reason to do so."
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Nobody has asked you to seize any computers. My suggestion of blocking certain country IPs was offered as a possible way of legitimising the trading practices of the OP site, and any similar sites.
<quote user="samuel40">
"...not only a friend..."
[/quote]
I am not interested in your personal friendships or relationships.
<quote user="samuel40">
"These laws mean nothing unless you are trained in the law as an attorney..."
[/quote]
That is not true. Even though I am not trained lawyer I have considerable experience of representing myself in the UK Courts, winning many important (to me) hearings in the UK, and I can say that anyone with a modicum of intelligence can easily research and understand the law. Indeed, I would go as far as to say that most lawyers and Judges have an overinflated sense of their own intelligence and abilities, and the general public have been misled if they think that lawyers and Judges are more intelligent than the average. Of course, I have come across more intelligent and diligent lawyers and Judges but they are very much in the minority. I should also point out that most lawyers and Judges do not actually know the law and have to research the law just like anyone else, except that they have the advantage of access to a closed-shop of legal libraries whereas normal folk have to go through more circuitous routes to get the necessary information.
<quote user="samuel40">
"...based upon what you have read you are ready to send the the so called offender for execution without a trial."
[/quote]
I haven't condemned anyone. In fact, I haven't even rated the OP site. Therefore, you have again jumped to the wrong conclusions about me.
<quote user="samuel40">
"Real law enforcement does their jobs everyday."
[/quote]
You think so? Well, I have got news for you. They don't always do their jobs, and I am presently involved in an action because I have evidence that the UK Police and Courts have not only failed to do their jobs but also have been complicit in serious criminal offences. Nothing to do with online pharmacies.
<quote user="samuel40">
"The fact that no evidence exists..."
[/quote]
The evidence is clearly displayed on the OP site in their lists of drugs available for purchase by anyone in any country.
<quote user="samuel40">
"Do not take the law into your own hands."
[/quote]
WOT ratings are not about taking the law into our own hands. WOT ratings are primarily about how much trust is placed in websites by visitors to those sites. If sites are perceived to be breaking the law then it follows that those sites are unlikely to be trusted.
<quote user="samuel40">
"I have testified several times in both our courts and in the United States in criminal cases..."
[/quote]
Only "several times"? I have more than fifteen years experience of being grilled by Barristers and Judges, and my most recent experience in 2011 of representing myself I didn't just win the case but won hands-down against the trained lawyers of the Crown Prosecution Service. I can give you the case numbers if you really want to know but it is unimportant in the context of this thread.
<quote user="samuel40">
"...I can not seize a computer, block IP's or look at someone elses data without a legal reason to do so."
[/quote]
Nobody has asked you to seize any computers. My suggestion of blocking certain country IPs was offered as a possible way of legitimising the trading practices of the OP site, and any similar sites.
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HansTheBlueFrog
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RE: Medicina Mexico
Why are we continuing to carry on this conversation with someone who is clearly here to spread FUD (see my earlier post)?
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HansTheBlueFrog
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RE: Medicina Mexico
And here you are posting again. You haven't fooled anyone.
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HansTheBlueFrog
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RE: Medicina Mexico
Maybe this will put a finish to this foolishness: "Medicina Mexico is a rogue Internet pharmacy network consisting of several dozen websites. The network is operated by people in California and Mexico.
The websites primarily target the United States. Although some of the websites in this network state that their medications have been approved by the US and Mexican government, this statement is not accurate. The US FDA has specifically stated that drugs are unregulated for safety and authenticity, and websites that import drugs directly to patients from outside of the US operate in violation of federal law.
Moreover, the drugs are sold without a prescription.
LegitScript has additionally conducted research into this network: at least one key figure in this network is described by the LA Times as a convicted felon and longtime con man. This individual, who was also reported to have served time in prison for impersonating a bankruptcy attorney, also called LegitScript impersonating an attorney."
See here: http://www.legitscript.com/pharmacies/validate
The websites primarily target the United States. Although some of the websites in this network state that their medications have been approved by the US and Mexican government, this statement is not accurate. The US FDA has specifically stated that drugs are unregulated for safety and authenticity, and websites that import drugs directly to patients from outside of the US operate in violation of federal law.
Moreover, the drugs are sold without a prescription.
LegitScript has additionally conducted research into this network: at least one key figure in this network is described by the LA Times as a convicted felon and longtime con man. This individual, who was also reported to have served time in prison for impersonating a bankruptcy attorney, also called LegitScript impersonating an attorney."
See here: http://www.legitscript.com/pharmacies/validate
RE: Medicina Mexico
HansTheBlueFrog
It is sad that you will not answer the questions I presented.
If you want to believe the nonsense you have stated, then who am I to stop you in your insane belief based upon a nonsense investigation that does not check out.
I am not superior to you and it is not my duty to fight on behalf of a customer.
If you had some real evidence, then I would act and turn their service off. But until then I can not and will not take action.
Please have an enjoyable night. It has been a long day for me as this is my first day back.
By the way, if anyone needs help regarding data center assistance then please contact me. We have some really good deals on computers, rack space and etc.
It is sad that you will not answer the questions I presented.
If you want to believe the nonsense you have stated, then who am I to stop you in your insane belief based upon a nonsense investigation that does not check out.
I am not superior to you and it is not my duty to fight on behalf of a customer.
If you had some real evidence, then I would act and turn their service off. But until then I can not and will not take action.
Please have an enjoyable night. It has been a long day for me as this is my first day back.
By the way, if anyone needs help regarding data center assistance then please contact me. We have some really good deals on computers, rack space and etc.
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