Spammers are hammering a legitimate site's rating!

Hadashi Blacksky
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Spammers are hammering a legitimate site's rating!

Post by Hadashi Blacksky » Sun Sep 08, 2013 11:03 am

Hello there, I have been a regular user of a forum since back when it was under a completely different domain. It is not only a legitimate site but the best online D&D gaming forum I have ever seen. Yet, as of this morning I suddenly get a "This site has a very poor rating" warning from WOT when I go there. It seems like someone has taken up a personal vendetta against the site and given it a rating it really doesn't deserve!

I realise I am not the owner of this site, but it shocks me that that spammers are able to do this to a site I love and visit pretty-much daily. Could somebody maybe reset the rating?

th3br41n
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RE: Spammers are hammering a legitimate site's rating!

Post by th3br41n » Sun Sep 08, 2013 11:22 am

Hi,
If you are the owner, I'd recommend to follow the proper procedure to ask an evaluation:
http://www.mywot.com/wiki/Verify_your_website

I suggest you to read how WOT works: https://www.mywot.com/en/support/how-wot-works

You can also write a private message to [url=https://www.mywot.com/en/user/1863955 t=_self]GURBL[/url] gently asking to review rpgcrossing.com.

Please note that the version of vBulletin of the website is outdated, hence it is subject to vulnerabilities.

jcamacho
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RE: Spammers are hammering a legitimate site's rating!

Post by jcamacho » Sun Sep 08, 2013 11:39 am

If you want my advice i'd recommend you edit the post removing all mentions of the website or just remove the post completely and warn them not to post a site evaluation.

Theres a lot of great WoT users here that read the forums and post...but from what i've seen theres way more monsters lurking. They will eat that website up for just the private registration.

That website has so many members, I strongly recommend they send out a message to their members asking for help rating them. I've seen that GURBL person on several websites and havent seen a review reversed yet but to be honest ive only been actively lurking the forums for about a week. I think chances are high its just that 1 downvote from that GURBL's high activity score that put you guys into the red and that website has plenty of members to negate that one vote.

RPGX
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RE: Spammers are hammering a legitimate site's rating!

Post by RPGX » Sun Sep 08, 2013 1:16 pm

I've set up an account and requested a review. I have no idea how a single review could tank the rating of rpgcrossing.com like this, esp one with an inane comment like

"spamming spammers spamming spamtraps

snowshoe [p] "

Seriously? Saddening.

th3br41n
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RE: Spammers are hammering a legitimate site's rating!

Post by th3br41n » Sun Sep 08, 2013 1:17 pm

<quote user="jcamacho">
If you want my advice i'd recommend you edit the post removing all mentions of the website or just remove the post completely and warn them not to post a site evaluation.
[/quote]

In my opinion, this is not a good advice. After a site evaluation request, all users that have rated the website are automatically asked to review it. Not all users leave a message on the scorecard, so, generally speaking, it is not possible to request a review in a different way.

<quote user="jcamacho">
Theres a lot of great WoT users here that read the forums and post...but from what i've seen theres way more monsters lurking. They will eat that website up for just the private registration.
[/quote]

Usually, a public whois is suggested (and not required) for commercial websites. However, some user thinks that a public whois is mandatory for a legitimate commercial website. This is true both for logged WOT users and for users that simply use the addon. A private whois can cause a red rating not only due to logged WOT users.

<quote user="jcamacho">
[...]I've seen that GURBL person on several websites and havent seen a review reversed yet [...]
[/quote]

Sorry, I have to disagree, just to cite a recent case:
https://www.mywot.com/en/forum/38170-masperblog-it?comment=215862#comment-215862

NotBuyingIt
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RE: Spammers are hammering a legitimate site's rating!

Post by NotBuyingIt » Sun Sep 08, 2013 1:32 pm

<quote user="jcamacho">...but from what i've seen theres way more monsters lurking. They will eat that website up for just the private registration.[/quote]

OK, since the example site was for D&D players ([url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dungeons_%26_Dragons t=_self]wiki[/url]), some readers will appreciate the "inside joke" ([url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In-joke t=_self]wiki[/url]). This is an international forum, of course, so other readers may be entirely unaware of the humour, and mistake it for a personal attack. The gist of the remark may be a fair point to raise. (Roll for reaction time?)

<quote user="jcamacho">I've seen ... GURBL ... on several websites and havent seen a review reversed yet but to be honest ive only been actively lurking the forums for about a week. I think chances are high its just that 1 downvote from that GURBL's high activity score that put you guys into the red and that website has plenty of members to negate that one vote.
[/quote]

According to the WOT staff, "high activity score" has nothing to do with a user's influence on a site's ratings. Of course, [url=http://www.mywot.com/user/1863955 t=_self]GURBL[/url] may possibly have substantial influence either because the WOT system finds GURBL's ratings consistently meritorious or because numerous other community members tend to trust and agree with GURBL's scorecard comments. Or the user may actually have insubstantial influence. We members of the users' community cannot know how many people have rated a site, who all of them were, how each of them rated it or why. Consequently, we cannot reliably infer an individual user's influence, (even our own). Of course, evidence of unethical scorecard manipulation or any other user misconduct should be reported to the WOT staff.

Questioning or disputing a scorecard comment via PM is often a good idea. Most WOT users intend to be as accurate as possible and welcome the opportunity to correct their errors. GURBL could be invited into this discussion thread to explain the issue of "snowshoe spam" ([url=http://www.spamhaus.org/faq/section/Glossary t=_self]glossary[/url]) and to explain the evidence that the D&D site participated in it. Some users understandably decline to participate in these forums because of their unsatisfying experiences herein, or for other personal reasons.

RPGX
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RE: Spammers are hammering a legitimate site's rating!

Post by RPGX » Sun Sep 08, 2013 1:34 pm

What is a "commercial site"?

This is a member-supported community, and some people pay to use the site. However, it can also be used free of charge. It is staffed by volunteers. It sounds like there is an expectation among some folks that making a community like this available on the web requires complete disclosure of the personal information (hey, angry spam guy, here is the address of the house where my kids live!) of the owners. I find this unreasonable.

NotBuyingIt
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RE: Spammers are hammering a legitimate site's rating!

Post by NotBuyingIt » Sun Sep 08, 2013 2:41 pm

@[url=http://www.mywot.com/en/user/5375094 t=_self]RPGX[/url],

Welcome to the WOT users' community forums. I notice that you have registered as the responsible official of the site named in this discussion thread's original post (OP). Feel free to post a link to your site's WOT scorecard (but don't post a "live link" to any external website which may be unrated or poorly rated by WOT).

This users' community (which includes many site owners) has had lengthy debates for years about the issue of redacted whois data. Some members completely agree with you. Other members have maintained that any site that collects any personally identifiable information (PII) should have a fully disclosed whois. Other members are yet more strident about fully disclosed whois records. You may wish to read through the discussions. Keep in mind, however, that the loudest voices do not necessarily reflect how the majority of WOT users rate sites and that older discussion threads may not reflect current practices very accurately.

NotBuyingIt
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RE: Spammers are hammering a legitimate site's rating!

Post by NotBuyingIt » Sun Sep 08, 2013 2:54 pm

I notice a new Evaluation request for rpgcrossing.com at
http://www.mywot.com/forum/38340-rpgcrossing-com?comment=216318#comment-216318


To avoid duplicating and fragmenting the discussion, further discussion of that site's reputation should be placed there.

GURBL
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RE: Spammers are hammering a legitimate site's rating!

Post by GURBL » Mon Sep 09, 2013 10:34 am

<quote user="jcamacho">
I've seen that GURBL person on several websites and havent seen a review reversed yet but to be honest ive only been actively lurking the forums for about a week. I think chances are high its just that 1 downvote from that GURBL's high activity score that put you guys into the red and that website has plenty of members to negate that one vote.
[/quote]


You've seen me on several websites? Never seen a review reversed? Really. Prove that. Present specific details.

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