Greed and copyrighted materials

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Greed and copyrighted materials

Post by Guest » Fri Feb 12, 2016 11:52 am

I was going to watch an old movie [1923] online, when I noticed that, companies like Amazon, Hulu and others were asking for a price, there were the non trusted sites offering "free movies" and in the case of Hulu, in order to watch it for free, you will have to become a member on a trial basis
I searched for information and I found this
Copyright protection generally lasts for 70 years after the death of the author. If the work was a "work for hire", then copyright persists for 120 years after creation or 95 years after publication, whichever is shorter. For works created before 1978, the copyright duration rules are complicated. However, works created before 1923 have made their way into the public domain.
/en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_law_of_the_United_States

Which is a long time, but there are exceptions

Fair use is a legal doctrine that permits limited use of copyrighted material without acquiring permission from the rights holders. It is one type of limitation and exception to the exclusive rights copyright law grants to the author of a creative work. Examples of fair use in United States copyright law include commentary, search engines, criticism, parody, news reporting, research, teaching, library archiving and scholarship. It provides for the legal, unlicensed citation or incorporation of copyrighted material in another author's work under a four-factor balancing test.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_use
So if I go to the public library, I have the movie for two weeks and for free
browse.nypl.org/iii/encore/record/C__Rb17139844__Scity%20lights__P0%2C2__Orightresult__U__X7?lang=eng&suite=def
I haven't been to the public library in quite a while, maybe this a good time to get reacquainted with it, but I wonder if these companies are missing a point
I respect their right to charge for a product, but greed always backfire

The way I see it, the more you squeeze a cent from a customer, the less possibilities for growth, knowing when to take a small loss in order to avoid a larger one, is an intelligent move

Before anyone that does not know me, ask =

I don't like tags of any kind and I love the free market or capitalism, I can afford to pay for the movie, but I live by principles and this is a matter of principles I just wonder if the CEO of some corporations loose sight of how a company makes money by paying too much attention to the bottom line or maybe, they are working for free, like this one
htxtp://wxxww.bbc.com/news/business-35547729
Others have gone to extremes by socialist governments like this one
hxttp://wxww.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35557725
I guess, tomorrow, I will be occupied with closing some accounts and drive by the Library, I hope is still there

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RE: Greed and copyrighted materials

Post by hotdoge3 » Wed Feb 17, 2016 8:42 am

Thats US in NZ not so bad but we go the US way if we go with the TTP

Copyright work New Zealand time limit

Literary, dramatic, musical and artistic* works
50 years beyond the death of the author

Publisher’s copyright (typographical layout of a published edition)
25 years from publication

Sound recordings and film
50 years from the year in which the work was made

Communication works including repeats
50 years from the initial broadcast or transmission.

*Commercialised product designs (Artistic work that has been applied industrially)
- product designs and casting moulds 16 years

- works of craftsmanship 25 years

htxxtp://www.iponz.govt.nz/cms/copyright/how-long-does-copyright-protection-last

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RE: Greed and copyrighted materials

Post by Guest » Wed Feb 17, 2016 12:57 pm


@hotdoge3 =
Thanks for the feedback and info

I was trying to find in English translation to an expression, I used to hear from my elders

Well, I got more than I bargained for :)

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Goose_That_Laid_the_Golden_Eggs

My point remains that lately there is an increase in greed that will bring down to their knees some owners of corporations

I understand that, is their product, but if they are smart it would not be a smart move to squeeze one more cent, people will get tired and they are the customers, I will not use illegal sites because they breed corruption, but I will not pay either, sooner than later, they kill the goose that laid the golden egg

BTW, I have to wait a few more days in order to check out the movie, I guess others got ahead of me, but I recommend Charles Chaplin any time and in a movie like

"City Lights"

I will see if I own some movies that the public library could use and donate them to a generation that is missing out in great comedy

Best regards

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RE: Greed and copyrighted materials

Post by Apollo702 » Thu Feb 18, 2016 2:29 am

<quote user="super hero!">
@hotdoge3 =
Thanks for the feedback and info

I was trying to find in English translation to an expression, I used to hear from my elders

Well, I got more than I bargained for :)

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Goose_That_Laid_the_Golden_Eggs

My point remains that lately there is an increase in greed that will bring down to their knees some owners of corporations

I understand that, is their product, but if they are smart it would not be a smart move to squeeze one more cent, people will get tired and they are the customers, I will not use illegal sites because they breed corruption, but I will not pay either, sooner than later, they kill the goose that laid the golden egg

BTW, I have to wait a few more days in order to check out the movie, I guess others got ahead of me, but I recommend Charles Chaplin any time and in a movie like

"City Lights"

I will see if I own some movies that the public library could use and donate them to a generation that is missing out in great comedy

Best regards
[/quote]

Since you are in the mood for some 20s entertainment you really need to start here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azdwsXLmrHE&html5=1

Then you need to do a search for the movie " Metropolis ."

In regards to the main OT I am in a rather frustrating spot. Many years ago I used to sell box sets of TV series on
Feebay. I will save the comments about the economics of such for another day. Anyways, As a holder of a good sized media collection myself I almost feel forced into getting much of my entertainment through grabbing it online because in many cases the studios for some inexplicable reason stop me from paying for DVDs. There are entire series that many would pay for in their entirety such ER and NYPD Blue that they have either released sporadically or not at all.

Then add in
SNL. It also is released horribly on DVD. The online videos are all encrytped and naturally it would be wrong to do screen grabs and get them anyways. I would flat out buy entire seasons or perhaps the entire series- and yet again the studio is preventing us from paying up.

When piracy is so easy the first step in stopping it is to pull their heads our of their asses(What Steve Jobs told the music industry when they begged him to create iTunes.)

Now some may say-"
Oh! But you can just go online and stream whatever you want..." That isn't true for everybody. My return to the civilized world is taking time and my slow rural internet goes out for weeks and months at a time. For me this often times means I have no choice but to use video grabbers, DL and watch later. Again, the telecoms spend the money in large metropolitan areas and barbaric places such as this get the bare minimum. There is talk of an entirely new generation of satellite connections of 1TB speeds- that wont launch until 2019. I will likely be home by the end of 2016- making that all pie-in-the-sky talk.

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RE: Greed and copyrighted materials

Post by redblade7 » Wed Mar 09, 2016 2:29 pm

The cutoff is 1/1/1923 (public domain through 12/31/1922)

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RE: Greed and copyrighted materials

Post by A440 » Wed Mar 09, 2016 5:27 pm

The reason why copyright was extended in America was because of the political petition of one player:
The Walt Disney Company and because of Mickey Mouse.

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RE: Greed and copyrighted materials

Post by Guest » Wed Mar 09, 2016 9:24 pm

I wonder =

Let's say that, I share with A440 some of my vinyls of jazz that, I bought and paid for years ago, will this be infringement of the law?

Should I take this further and open a site, in which people who actually bought books and records, get together and make posts about what they have and are looking for, by swapping records, books and so on, will this be labeled pirated products?
Let's say that in order to keep the site running a donation is made?
Would this be illegal?
There are so many questions , running in my head, but I need lawyers to answer these questions or members that, could answer my questions
Let's say that a member watch an add and in the process , gets a credit towards his or her account , in which they could use these credits to buy @ Amazon a book or musical recording , would this be illegal ?
One of the questions you may be asked, when applying for citizenship of the U.S is the one about the economic system in this country
My answer was Capitalism and I love it, but lately I have been having problems understanding a concept that at one time was quite clear to me as I understood it
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitalism
I buy a book and I share it with someone else, what is the problem with this?

To what extent is my property vs the original author's ownership behind his or her idea?

If there is not a monetary profit in the process, why should this be a problem?

Private property or rented material?
I remember, when the problem of the Betamax video cassette
One other major consequence of the Betamax technology's introduction to the U.S. was the lawsuit Sony Corp. v. Universal City Studios (1984, the "Betamax case"), with the U.S. Supreme Court determining home videotaping to be legal in the United States, wherein home videotape cassette recorders were a legal technology since they had substantial noninfringing uses. This precedent was later invoked in MGM v. Grokster (2005), where the high court agreed that the same "substantial noninfringing uses" standard applies to authors and vendors of peer-to-peer file sharing software (notably excepting those who "actively induce" copyright infringement through "purposeful, culpable expression and conduct").[12][13][14]
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betamax
It was a wise decision from the supreme court, but not one for the 21 century

The greed by these companies is killing better returns on their investments, those who were actively engaged in P2P got to know more about other bands and songs, while "burning" and there was a revival, when it came to great music because people started to buy new records from old bands that realized that they could still make popular and good music
When Apollo mentioned the movie "Metropolis"

I bought it and I donated it to the local library, in hope that others can watch it, even if they could not afford to buy it, I could be wrong, but once some of those who watch the movie, may share their opinion with others and as they become aware of this movie, they may buy one for themselves, in my case I bought two as I already had in mind in donating one, so they would not have to wait ten days because there was just one available and it was taken
Gekko was wrong, greed is not good, most of the times it works against you

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RE: Greed and copyrighted materials

Post by Retarded Joker » Fri Mar 11, 2016 10:17 am

<quote user="super hero!">
I buy a book and I share it with someone else, what is the problem with this?
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Business gets affected, that is the problem. We need to look at this from a different perspective.

The whole of idea of not sharing copyright protected material is to protect the small businesses/business men. Consider yourself to be a small-scale writer, or someone who is going to release your first book; online. If I was to download the first copy, and send them to ten of my friends, how much would you be paid? The price for only one book, when eleven people have the copy. And does the chain stop at eleven? The eleven will send them to eleven more people, each. That way, the profit is reduced exponentially.

I know big companies, like Microsoft, have almost every product of their company out on the market for free. But are they affected? No.Why? Because they are already well-established. They are giving out Windows 10 'for free' (We all know it isn't for free of course, and there are other consequences, lets keep that aside.)
These laws are simply to protect those people who are trying to survive. They can't make separate laws for the 'well-off' people and 'trying to survive' people. One simple law is made and the big companies make use of it, that is all.

The whole idea is to be in the shoes of a developer who wants to make some money. Don't think of all this from a user point of view.


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RE: Greed and copyrighted materials

Post by A440 » Fri Mar 11, 2016 10:34 am

<quote user="super hero!">
I wonder =
Let's say that, I share with A440 some of my vinyls of jazz that, I bought and paid for years ago, will this be an infringement of the law?
[/quote]If the records were out of print, likely no would care.

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RE: Greed and copyrighted materials

Post by Apollo702 » Fri Mar 11, 2016 10:58 am

<quote user="retarded joker">
I know big companies, like Microsoft, have almost every product of their company out on the market for free. But are they affected? No.Why? Because they are already well-established. They are giving out Windows 10 'for free' (We all know it isn't for free of course, and there are other consequences, lets keep that aside.)
These laws are simply to protect those people who are trying to survive. They can't make separate laws for the 'well-off' people and 'trying to survive' people. One simple law is made and the big companies make use of it, that is all.

[/quote]

There is even more to it than that. Windows10 spies on users, bombards them with ads and attempts more than any other version of Windows to force people into the Microsoft- no wait make that, Microsucks ecosystem.

In plain English there are many ways for them to make money without directly getting cash from users. When people go out and
engage in piracy it almost forces institutions to go to the dark side. For small ones and individuals it means when they get robbed of their meager earnings they just quit and we all lose out on content.




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