I love the WOT Christmas hat!

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I love the WOT Christmas hat!

Post by Warxas » Wed Dec 08, 2010 6:46 pm

It looks so festive, nice job WOT team!

Merry Christmas, and Happy Holidays everyone! :D


I love the WOT Christmas hat!

Post by Guest » Wed Dec 08, 2010 7:46 pm

@ Warxas = I agree !
Nice touch !


Bah! Humbug!

Post by Guest » Wed Dec 08, 2010 7:52 pm

Bah! Humbug!



Post by Guest » Wed Dec 08, 2010 7:56 pm

DT = I hope you made your list , for you know who is coming to town - smiles

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Post by Warxas » Wed Dec 08, 2010 7:57 pm



No one knows what day Jesus

Post by Guest » Wed Dec 08, 2010 7:58 pm

No one knows what day Jesus Christ was born on. From the biblical description, most historians believe that his birth probably occurred in September, approximately six months after Passover. One thing they agree on is that it is very unlikely that Jesus was born in December, since the bible records shepherds tending their sheep in the fields on that night. This is quite unlikely to have happened during a cold Judean winter. So why do we celebrate Christ’s birthday as Christmas, on December the 25th?

The answer lies in the pagan origins of Christmas. In ancient Babylon, the feast of the Son of Isis (Goddess of Nature) was celebrated on December 25. Raucous partying, gluttonous eating and drinking, and gift-giving were traditions of this feast.

In Rome, the Winter Solstice was celebrated many years before the birth of Christ. The Romans called their winter holiday Saturnalia, honoring Saturn, the God of Agriculture. In January, they observed the Kalends of January, which represented the triumph of life over death. This whole season was called Dies Natalis Invicti Solis, the Birthday of the Unconquered Sun. The festival season was marked by much merrymaking. It is in ancient Rome that the tradition of the Mummers was born. The Mummers were groups of costumed singers and dancers who traveled from house to house entertaining their neighbors. From this, the Christmas tradition of caroling was born.

In northern Europe, many other traditions that we now consider part of Christian worship were begun long before the participants had ever heard of Christ. The pagans of northern Europe celebrated the their own winter solstice, known as Yule. Yule was symbolic of the pagan Sun God, Mithras, being born, and was observed on the shortest day of the year. As the Sun God grew and matured, the days became longer and warmer. It was customary to light a candle to encourage Mithras, and the sun, to reappear next year.

Huge Yule logs were burned in honor of the sun. The word Yule itself means “wheel,” the wheel being a pagan symbol for the sun. Mistletoe was considered a sacred plant, and the custom of kissing under the mistletoe began as a fertility ritual. Hollyberries were thought to be a food of the gods.

The tree is the one symbol that unites almost all the northern European winter solstices. Live evergreen trees were often brought into homes during the harsh winters as a reminder to inhabitants that soon their crops would grow again. Evergreen boughs were sometimes carried as totems of good luck and were often present at weddings, representing fertility. The Druids used the tree as a religious symbol, holding their sacred ceremonies while surrounding and worshipping huge trees.

In 350, Pope Julius I declared that Christ’s birth would be celebrated on December 25. There is little doubt that he was trying to make it as painless as possible for pagan Romans (who remained a majority at that time) to convert to Christianity. The new religion went down a bit easier, knowing that their feasts would not be taken away from them.

Christmas (Christ-Mass) as we know it today, most historians agree, began in Germany, though Catholics and Lutherans still disagree about which church celebrated it first. The earliest record of an evergreen being decorated in a Christian celebration was in 1521 in the Alsace region of Germany. A prominent Lutheran minister of the day cried blasphemy.

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Post by Warxas » Wed Dec 08, 2010 8:23 pm

You seem to be the one to instigate fights most of the time, why did you write any of this?

I celebrate Christmas, as do many others. You can freely celebrate you holiday, so why try to say something bad about mine?

BTW, I said Merry Christmas AND Happy Holidays.


March also

Post by Guest » Wed Dec 08, 2010 8:30 pm

@ Destination Truth,

I believe the month of March is also a candidate.

That's because some have shown that this month is when the "Christmas Star" (the North Star) was prominent in the skies over Palestine that year. That star is featured in at least one of the gospels telling the story of the Nativity.

Nevertheless, you are certainly correct that we'll never really know.

But Christmas for December 25th has become so ingrained in Western Culture (and amusingly, and some would say unfortunately, in western commerce too) that any change now would be treated with suspicion . . . IOW, "don't confuse me with the facts").

Can you imagine Santa Clause in shorts? (Yucchhh . . . there's a graphic that makes me glad tradition has set Christmas in December).


You nerver cease to Amaze me !

Post by Guest » Wed Dec 08, 2010 8:41 pm

DT = You are 100% right -

I struggle with days like these, there was a time in which I refused to celebrate these holidays,-

I believe that somewhere in October could have been in my opinion, the moth in which Jesus was born .

I once had a problem with the wind chimes I had in the house [ I love them ] once I found that the Chinese used them to scare off evil spirits [? ] until I read the question from someone about the same subject, in a magazine .

I like the answer that if you use the chimes, as an ornament then there was not reason to think that it had any no religious connotation -

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Happy 2011 to all!!

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A day for family and friends.

Post by Keavs » Wed Dec 08, 2010 10:06 pm

A day for family and friends. I always enjoyed doing it for the kids and grandkids.

It can suck if you are alone though, and lots of people suffer depression.

My family has never really celebrated it as a "Holy Day".... just a day for food and presents.

Happy Holidays to all of you, and your families.

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