CIPA & Legit Script conflicts

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RE: CIPA & Legit Script conflicts

Post by PharmacyChecker » Thu Sep 03, 2015 1:20 pm

<quote user="a440">
I am glad to read Legitscript's position on this. Just today I noted one pharmacy that was "unapproved" and now I know more about this situation.
I would rather rely upon a review agency that did not have a vested interest or ties to the pharmaceutical industry since there is the problem of bias, I believe.
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LegitScript allies itself with the pharmaceutical industry in many ways but the most obvious way is through its past funding and membership in an organization that appears mostly funded by drug company Eli Lilly, the National Association of Chain Drugstores (Big Pharmacy), and many other multinational drug companies. Here are the members of the Alliance for Safe Online Pharmacies (ASOP). It is ASOP that we have accused of libel against PharmacyChecker.com: http://www.pharmacychecker.com/libel-ec ... script.pdf.

ASOP Members:

American Pharmacists Association
Amgen
Boehringer Ingelheim
Consumer Health Information Corporation
Eli Lilly & Company
EMD Serono
European Alliance for Access to Safe Medicines
Generic Pharmaceutical Association (GPhA)
International Pharmaceutical Federation
Italian Medicines Agency (AIFA)
Johnson & Johnson
LegitScript
Medsnap
Men’s Health Network
Merck
National Association of Chain Drug Stores
NeedyMeds
NOVA ScriptsCentral
Partnership at Drug-Free.org
Takeda Pharmaceuticals
U.S. Pharmacopeial Convention (USP)

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RE: CIPA & Legit Script conflicts

Post by alphacentauri » Sun Sep 06, 2015 1:22 am

I don't have a problem with buying drugs from Canada. But if a pharmacy brands itself as "Canadian" yet sells drugs that have never been on Canadian soil and cannot be legally sold in Canada, it's misleading the public.

Yes, those websites reveal that the drugs are not coming from Canada and are being shipped directly from countries with less robust drug regulation. And maybe the customers realize they are taking chances, though my experience has been that they don't. Either way, it doesn't mean such websites deserve the imprimatur of an organization that claims to be helping uninsured people find drugs of reliable quality, just because they are honest about their lack of quality.

(As far as drugs stored in garages, if you've ever gotten a free sample from your doctor's office, odds are it was stored in the pharmaceutical representative's garage before it was distributed. Those over-packaged samples (with a huge box for each 7 tablets) don't fit too many other places. What counts is what kind of climate control was in effect.)

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RE: CIPA & Legit Script conflicts

Post by A440 » Sun Sep 06, 2015 4:12 am

It is a pity an Indian pharmaceutical could not undercut certain business concerns while selling certified RX online. Instead, we have a horde of untrustworthy sellers and sites that only muddy the water and a horde of people that can not afford medications.

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RE: CIPA & Legit Script conflicts

Post by PharmacyChecker » Sun Sep 06, 2015 5:14 pm

<quote user="alphacentauri">
I don't have a problem with buying drugs from Canada. But if a pharmacy brands itself as "Canadian" yet sells drugs that have never been on Canadian soil and cannot be legally sold in Canada, it's misleading the public.

Yes, those websites reveal that the drugs are not coming from Canada and are being shipped directly from countries with less robust drug regulation. And maybe the customers realize they are taking chances, though my experience has been that they don't. Either way, it doesn't mean such websites deserve the imprimatur of an organization that claims to be helping uninsured people find drugs of reliable quality, just because they are honest about their lack of quality.

(As far as drugs stored in garages, if you've ever gotten a free sample from your doctor's office, odds are it was stored in the pharmaceutical representative's garage before it was distributed. Those over-packaged samples (with a huge box for each 7 tablets) don't fit too many other places. What counts is what kind of climate control was in effect.)
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First, thank you for noting that PharmacyChecker.com is honest even if you don't agree with our position.

Are you saying that you don't have a problem with a bricks and mortar Canadian pharmacy selling its own prescription drugs by mail to consumers in the U.S.? What other countries does that extend to?

What experience do you have to inform you about what customers who purchase medication online, internationally know and don't know about risk? We always want to learn more about their perspectives.

We, and LegitScript, believe the Internet is a minefield of dangerous pharmacy websites. PharmacyChecker verifies that a small group of websites that sell medication internationally are the safest such options. I'm not sure what the businesses deserve, but consumers who can't afford medication deserve to know which international pharmacy options are safest.








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RE: CIPA & Legit Script conflicts

Post by PharmacyChecker » Sun Sep 06, 2015 5:17 pm

<quote user="a440">
It is a pity an Indian pharmaceutical could not undercut certain business concerns while selling certified RX online. Instead, we have a horde of untrustworthy sellers and sites that only muddy the water and a horde of people that can not afford medications.
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I agree there are hordes of websites selling medication that must be avoided. That's why we started PharmacyChecker.com. While I don't like its efforts to curtail access to safe international online pharmacies, LegitScript has done good work to clamp down on rogue sites.

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RE: CIPA & Legit Script conflicts

Post by alphacentauri » Sat Sep 12, 2015 3:41 am

<quote user="pharmacychecker">
Are you saying that you don't have a problem with a bricks and mortar Canadian pharmacy selling its own prescription drugs by mail to consumers in the U.S.? What other countries does that extend to? [/quote]

Canadian regulation is equivalent to US regulation, to my knowledge. So no, I don't have a problem with drugs from Canada, if I can confirm they have come through Canadian government regulated supply channels. If all the Canadian are doing is arranging for shipment from a third country of drugs that are not approved to enter Canada, you get less accountability. If there's a problem with a drug, who handles the Medwatch report?

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RE: CIPA & Legit Script conflicts

Post by PharmacyChecker » Mon Sep 14, 2015 4:29 am

<quote user="alphacentauri">
Canadian regulation is equivalent to US regulation, to my knowledge. So no, I don't have a problem with drugs from Canada, if I can confirm they have come through Canadian government regulated supply channels. If all the Canadian are doing is arranging for shipment from a third country of drugs that are not approved to enter Canada, you get less accountability. If there's a problem with a drug, who handles the Medwatch report?
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There are other countries with equally stringent regulations, sometimes referred to as Tier 1 countries, such as Australia, New Zealand and the UK. I'm asking because you made the point above that drug quality is the problem when Canadian online pharmacies refer orders to third party countries. So if the Canadians are referring prescription orders to other safe, licensed pharmacies then what's the difference as long as the consumers are receiving safe and effective medications?

Yes, I believe people can bring their complaints and adverse reactions to MedWatch and I'm glad you brought it up. It's amazing that after 15 years of Americans buying medications online, the FDA hasn't cited a single serious adverse reaction or death buying from foreign online pharmacies that require a prescription. That said, you're right that the accountability channels are not as clear buying medication from a foreign pharmacies, whether it's in Canada or India.

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RE: CIPA & Legit Script conflicts

Post by Guest » Mon Sep 14, 2015 4:04 pm

[cite]Dangerous Drugs

Look at PharmacyChecker's track record of certifying unsafe Internet pharmacies. Among the Internet pharmacies that PharmacyChecker has approved:

RxNorth.com (selling counterfeit drugs);
pharmnet.com (advertising controlled substances that were sold without a prescription from India);
livewellrx.com (sold an undercover "13 year old" muscle relaxants without a valid prescription);
pillsbargain.com (did not require a valid prescription for tramadol);
tenpharmastores.com (linked to websites offering Vicodin without a prescription);
shopeastwest.com (listed on PharmacyChecker's own website, and selling prescription drugs without a prescription from India);
top10pharma.com (selling drugs without a valid prescription)
All of these websites were PharmacyChecker-approved.[/cite]
https://www.legitscript.com/about/setti ... -straight/
[cite]FDA does not oversee the manufacturing of drugs that are imported illegally into the United States, such as those that consumers purchase from Canada or other sources on the Internet, and their quality cannot be assured by FDA.[/cite]
http://www.fda.gov/AboutFDA/Transparenc ... 194989.htm
Is it legal for me to personally import drugs?

En Español

[cite]In most circumstances, it is illegal for individuals to import drugs into the United States for personal use. This is because drugs from other countries that are available for purchase by individuals often have not been approved by FDA for use and sale in the United States. For example, if a drug is approved by Health Canada (FDA’s counterpart in Canada) but has not been approved by FDA, it is an unapproved drug in the United States and, therefore, illegal to import. FDA cannot ensure the safety and effectiveness of drugs that it has not approved.[/cite]
http://www.fda.gov/AboutFDA/Transparenc ... 194904.htm


https://www.legitscript.com/services/certification

[cite]Now look at the first website promoted by this company
qualitypres...ondrugs.com
[cite]qualityprescriptiondrugs.com is an Unapproved Internet Pharmacy[/cite]
https://www.legitscript.com/services/certification/

http://www.safe.pharmacy/buying-safely

[cite] No. 2. Check for the VIPPS seal.

When you go to a pharmacy's web site, look for a seal that says VIPPS. It stands for "Verified Internet Pharmacy Practice Sites."

If it's there, it means the site was screened and approved by the NABP[/cite]
hxxttp://www.webmd.com/healthy-aging/features/beyond-

[cite]5. Aren’t most online pharmacies safe and legal?

No. Only 3 percent of online pharmacies reviewed by the National Association of Boards of Pharmacy are in compliance with U.S. pharmacy laws and practice standards.[/cite]

http://www.fda.gov/Drugs/ResourcesForYo ... ning_signs
I will like this thread to be closed as it has become a troll, and about a potentially dangerous service, and illegal
@OP
LegitScript.com is trusted source at WOT
https://www.mywot.com/wiki/Trusted_Sources
https://www.mywot.com/wiki/Main_Page
From their blog
[cite]CanadaDrugs.com Indictment Exposes Fake Drug Sales, PharmacyChecker Role[/cite]
http://blog.legitscript.com/2015/08/can ... cker-role/
htxxtp://news.sys-con.com/node/3418430

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RE: CIPA & Legit Script conflicts

Post by PharmacyChecker » Tue Sep 15, 2015 7:41 pm

<quote user="super hero!">
[cite]Dangerous Drugs

Look at PharmacyChecker's track record of certifying unsafe Internet pharmacies. Among the Internet pharmacies that PharmacyChecker has approved:

RxNorth.com (selling counterfeit drugs);
pharmnet.com (advertising controlled substances that were sold without a prescription from India);
livewellrx.com (sold an undercover "13 year old" muscle relaxants without a valid prescription);
pillsbargain.com (did not require a valid prescription for tramadol);
tenpharmastores.com (linked to websites offering Vicodin without a prescription);
shopeastwest.com (listed on PharmacyChecker's own website, and selling prescription drugs without a prescription from India);
top10pharma.com (selling drugs without a valid prescription)
All of these websites were PharmacyChecker-approved.[/cite]
https://www.legitscript.com/about/setti ... -straight/
[cite]FDA does not oversee the manufacturing of drugs that are imported illegally into the United States, such as those that consumers purchase from Canada or other sources on the Internet, and their quality cannot be assured by FDA.[/cite]
http://www.fda.gov/AboutFDA/Transparenc ... 194989.htm
Is it legal for me to personally import drugs?

En Español

[cite]In most circumstances, it is illegal for individuals to import drugs into the United States for personal use. This is because drugs from other countries that are available for purchase by individuals often have not been approved by FDA for use and sale in the United States. For example, if a drug is approved by Health Canada (FDA’s counterpart in Canada) but has not been approved by FDA, it is an unapproved drug in the United States and, therefore, illegal to import. FDA cannot ensure the safety and effectiveness of drugs that it has not approved.[/cite]
http://www.fda.gov/AboutFDA/Transparenc ... 194904.htm


https://www.legitscript.com/services/certification

[cite]Now look at the first website promoted by this company
qualitypres...ondrugs.com
[cite]qualityprescriptiondrugs.com is an Unapproved Internet Pharmacy[/cite]
https://www.legitscript.com/services/certification/

http://www.safe.pharmacy/buying-safely

[cite] No. 2. Check for the VIPPS seal.

When you go to a pharmacy's web site, look for a seal that says VIPPS. It stands for "Verified Internet Pharmacy Practice Sites."

If it's there, it means the site was screened and approved by the NABP[/cite]
hxxttp://www.webmd.com/healthy-aging/features/beyond-

[cite]5. Aren’t most online pharmacies safe and legal?

No. Only 3 percent of online pharmacies reviewed by the National Association of Boards of Pharmacy are in compliance with U.S. pharmacy laws and practice standards.[/cite]

http://www.fda.gov/Drugs/ResourcesForYo ... ning_signs
I will like this thread to be closed as it has become a troll, and about a potentially dangerous service, and illegal
@OP
LegitScript.com is trusted source at WOT
https://www.mywot.com/wiki/Trusted_Sources
https://www.mywot.com/wiki/Main_Page
From their blog
[cite]CanadaDrugs.com Indictment Exposes Fake Drug Sales, PharmacyChecker Role[/cite]
http://blog.legitscript.com/2015/08/can ... cker-role/
htxxtp://news.sys-con.com/node/3418430
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I have every right to contribute to this forum and engage in an exchange of ideas. I'm very a much a part of the public debate on this topic (for example: http://thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/ ... are-rogues). Five million Americans are buying medications online internationally each year and some of the online pharmacies they purchase from are very safe, including ones that LegitScript classifies as not legitimate. It's a worthy discussion.

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RE: CIPA & Legit Script conflicts

Post by Guest » Tue Sep 15, 2015 8:23 pm

[cite]Please don't be intimidated by SuperHero on this matter.[/cite]
That is a personal attack and it is not acceptable
A troll
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll
This is what this thread have become, , since June of 2012 !
Nothing new, but rhetoric


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